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"IBV: Folks around here don't like to be reminded about how things work in other places. They remind such suggestion that if it was so much better at where-ever, go back there and leave us folks to run our own place. I'm not suggesting that, I'm just say'n.
BTW, it wouldn't require the same amount per student because a well run corporation would take all the fat out of the system and get down to what's needed to produce a product that is competitive. True, some corporations are having troubles right now. Thats makes my point. When an entity doesn't function in the interest of its shareholders and customers it usually ends up in financial trouble. What better example than public education?"

Yes, you are exactly right about folks around here, but that is one of our problems. If you ask most Southerners, we haven't done anything wrong since the Civil War and that wasn't really our fault. Darn that Northern Aggression. I did try to get a longer term work visa to move back to Europe, but they aren't giving many of those out these days because of the Eastern European mass migration. But really I do love it here, really. ;) I think we as a entire country have that same "we do no wrong" feeling and this is one of the reasons why we are getting our rear ends handed to us in a global economy.

I work for a small private school that constantly has to trim the fat, and there is no way we could properly educate a child for the entire amount of what the state pays per child, much less a trimmed down version of that. Maybe it is that no one can educate for that amount? I don't know. I just think that if we throw away the entire system that the poorest kids will lose. A corporation is for profit, so any good one should stay way the heck away from education. Our only rewards are not financial.

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The devaluation of the dollar may be a good thing. After all who in the world can afford to buy a shirt made in America that costs $40.00 when they can buy the same shirt made in Indonesia for $12.00. This difference is that the average American manufacturing employee makes $17.00 per hour vs maybe $2.00 and hour in Indonesia. In addition the American manufacturer must meet(and pay for) all EPA/OSHA requirements, workers comp., retirements, 401Ks, medical plans, state/Fed/local taxes, and probably some other things. These all add up to increase the cost of the manufactured product. The US may never again be able to compete in routine manufacturing with the rest of the world. Unless the value of the dollar drops significantly and the associated costs also drop.


-kilkenny



Bust the unions, they have no reason to continue to exist. Those issues left the country long ago along with jobs.
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Ya know what I realize that for all liberals it is so easy to blame America first. I am not saying we do no wrong what I am saying is we do a lot more right than we do wrong. This country is the most generous country in the entire world. We will help nyone and everyone regardless of anything. The things that are wrong is the government iit s way too big, the unions all of them way too powerful with way too much fat in thier budgets and unnecessary expenses. Give me the good old days when the crooks (ala hoffa) ran the unions at least they were honest about it. Corporations that think this country is the golden goose, yet keep trying to screw the people that work or worked for them ( take a look at fords newest plant in Brazil).

We need to start appreciating the American worker and the American way of life. I really do hope you get your visa soon IBV I'm sure europe will love having you back

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You Know I think it is a shame that so many people seem to have such a hard on for the American Worker and the American way of life. Get real this is the most generous country in the world. The biggest problems in this country right now are the corporations (take a look at the newest ford factory in Brazil), the unions take a look at what the union leaders make compared to the average worker, the politicians that keep trying to harness American ingenuity with more rules and stupid laws and lining their own pockets and do not care what happens to this country as long as they get theirs. And all of the wondeful people that have the mindset of "Blame America First". 

When did it become so absolutely horrible to think of your country first?

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Sorry about the double post but something is goofy when I posted the screen keeps going to a disconnect mode and did not realize that it did indeed post.
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So when the union wage takes us out of global competition, we should still keep that institution? Do you remember Mack Truck, Rock Hill and the attempt at bringing the unions South? Not a good idea, didn't work. It isn't about "the American worker", it's about pricing themselves out of the industry on a global basis and then whining.

Unions had a place when the "American worker" was being exploited and we needed child labot laws. Now, tell me what good they serve. You can go to college and get 40 thousand into debt and come out making 25 thousand a year or get a union job and get paid 38.00 an hour to put screws into a dashboard. Do you think that is working on the whole? Not for GM & Chrysler. If you support the unions, you support the bailout because the cost of labor and perks are all a huge part of the profit problem.

I like the American worker, I love America but at least where it is flawed I don't turn my head and forget to use logic to understand the makings of our problems. Sorry that makes you think I am not patriotic because that is an incorrect conclusion LOL

BTW sometimes when I post I get a blank screen. If I go back it posts twice. Now I just login a second time to aviod that problem.
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You are missing the point. A fundamental change needs to take place in this country.

The federal government needs to allow the auto industry to put all union contracts on hold.

Auto makers need to consolidate and stop making 300 variations of the same model.

Bailouts should not be bailouts, but a purchase of equity (shares) in ANY institution (bank, mortgage co, airline, auto manf). There should be a pool of solid business people that the gov would pull from to sit on the boards and treat it like a business deal.

We need to become competitive in manufacturing. We need to maintain a strong defense and we need a civilian corp. This would be supported by a redesign of the education system. For those people that want to go to college, have a college prep choice, for those that want a trade, a trade choice, armed services and public service with the same choices.

Nobody gets welfare without working for it. They can be a branch of the civilian corp.

I know some will disagree but, pull the troops out of Iraq and Afgan, put them on our borders, at our sea ports and air ports.

Work on becoming a little more self sufficient instead of almost entirely relying China, OPEC etc to keep us afloat.

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In short, Straightup, you're asking us to become one, big giant North Korea? Surprised
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Auto makers need to consolidate and stop making 300 variations of the same model.

-straightup



As I don't have enough time to totally address this post, I'll just leave something to contemplate in reference to straightup's quote above:

2008 Ford Focus (US Model)
http://www.autospectator.com/cars/files/images/2008-Ford-Focus-50.jpg

2008 Ford Focus (European Model)
http://www.thetorquereport.com/2008_ford_focus_euro-thumb.jpg

2008 Ford Focus Convertible (European Model)
http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/02/focus_cc_09.jpg

Now ... supposedly ... in 2010, Ford will finally use the jaws of life and extract it's head from it's arse to make ... *shudder* ... cool cars on a ... wait for it ... GLOBAL PLATFORM. Before I run along, take a look at this model Focus and ask yourself this: Why isn't Ford using THIS MODEL to beat the SNOT out of the Civic/Corola/etc crowd?

This is a FORD!! (that will likely make it to production unscathed)
http://jalopnik.com/5106242/2009-ford-focus-rs-im-blue

Enjoy ... more commentary to follow.


- SSHM
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You are missing the point. A fundamental change needs to take place in this country.

The federal government needs to allow the auto industry to put all union contracts on hold.

Auto makers need to consolidate and stop making 300 variations of the same model.

Bailouts should not be bailouts, but a purchase of equity (shares) in ANY institution (bank, mortgage co, airline, auto manf). There should be a pool of solid business people that the gov would pull from to sit on the boards and treat it like a business deal.

We need to become competitive in manufacturing. We need to maintain a strong defense and we need a civilian corp. This would be supported by a redesign of the education system. For those people that want to go to college, have a college prep choice, for those that want a trade, a trade choice, armed services and public service with the same choices.

Nobody gets welfare without working for it. They can be a branch of the civilian corp.

I know some will disagree but, pull the troops out of Iraq and Afgan, put them on our borders, at our sea ports and air ports.

Work on becoming a little more self sufficient instead of almost entirely relying China, OPEC etc to keep us afloat.

-straightup





Under your scenario, the Government will decide on labor contracts and buy into any industry/company that needs a bailout.

Oops, ‘a bailout should not be a bailout’ you write.

Well then what exactly do you think buying an equity position in a public corporation or a private operation should be called.?

Your solution sounds more like creeping socialism than self-sufficiency.Frown
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