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Did I overheard Stan Welch say this morning that there had been a tempory injunction issued this week by the courts?Has anyone seen this document?
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I turned in too late to hear it all - just caught the end, but that is what it sounded like to me too.  Hope someone can share the update.  Thanks!
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I thought it sounded like he kept saying he was reading from "the injunction."  I just figured that as usual Stan didn't have a clue what he was talking about.  I would of thought any injuction against Wilson/Waldrep would've been front page news on the AIM.  Please someone post what you know.  As usualy for Anderson County I feel like a mushroom--kept in the dark and fed a lot of bs.
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As the temporary injunction was rendered the 23rd it is doubtful the AIM has a copy. Stan has his own sources. C Wilson was also wading through it and called in during the show.

The AIM stated there had to be a bond posted by the county, any idea what that will cost us? Cunningham should have let it go. Now he starts off costing us money on the suits & bond rather than extending the olive branch;  brilliant move on his part. So much for progress with the new Administrator. Yikes.

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Looks like the Preston court win streak against MCW goes up another notch. Preston 14 - MCW 0 ! When will she learn? Even with her new legal pal at her side, she loses and loses. Wonder what Preston has on the courts? (Wink wink) Or, more likely, what does the court know that the Preston haters don't seem to get? Perhaps it is as simple as "right is right." The laws of our State are being upheld.

I'm really proud of Michael Cunningham for standing up to the bullies and intimidators. He's his own man!

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Looks like the Preston court win streak against MCW goes up another notch. Preston 14 - MCW 0 ! When will she learn? Even with her new legal pal at her side, she loses and loses. Wonder what Preston has on the courts? (Wink wink) Or, more likely, what does the court know that the Preston haters don't seem to get? Perhaps it is as simple as "right is right." The laws of our State are being upheld.

I'm really proud of Michael Cunningham for standing up to the bullies and intimidators. He's his own man!


-republikin





You write how great the score is but you fail to address the cost. THINK about it. What good does this do? You want progress? Then the state and industry outside this state need to see us as progressive not a group of idiots suing each other and failing to address the business of the county. You really don't see it do you?

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I don't see it the way you do, 1-Opinion, and I've been watching this situation develop for a long time. Seems to me it's a bit disingenuous of you, after spending all that time defending Cindy Wilson's request for a "writ of mandamus" requiring County Council to follow the law, to now complain that the courts have issues a de facto writ of mandamus requiring County Council to follow the law.

Face it, 1-Opinion. County Council cannot directly interfere with the relationship between a County Administrator and county employees. They can set priorities, fund positions, fund departments and call for investigations - BUT EXCEPT IN CASES OF INVESTIGATIONS OR INQUIRIES, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DEAL WITH EMPLOYEES ONLY THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATOR. And it doesn't matter if that administrator is Michael Cunningham or somebody of the new Council's choosing.

YOU just don't see it, do you?

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No problem JD IF the law is fairly applied.

[Quote JD] "BUT EXCEPT IN CASES OF INVESTIGATIONS OR INQUIRIES, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DEAL WITH EMPLOYEES ONLY THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATOR. And it doesn't matter if that administrator is Michael Cunningham or somebody of the new Council's choosing." [Quote]

Floyd should no longer be able to call Animal Control & Litter Officers directly and tell them where they need to go and what they need to do immediately and have them stop their list of work, There needs to be an injunction against her so she can no longer interfere.

Greer had no business instructing Gina Humphries to find 1.14 million that she could transfer to pay Preston off.

If you don't think that is a double standard we won't find middle ground. Greer clearly interrupted Humphries day by tasking her with that job and Floyd disrupts an entire department. Yikes

Laws and rules need to be fairly applied. LOL But this is Anderson right?
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1-0pinion, I agree with you as far as Floyd using her influence with Animal Control, but I also recognize that if the guy in front of me runs a red light, and I follow him and get pulled by a police officer, "He did it, too" isn't a legal defense. Okay, maybe it is in Wiliamston. I know. I've tried it. Laughing

Here's your compromise position: The new Council approves a resolution calling for everybody to follow the law - specifically, both the letter AND the spirit of the S.C. Freedom of Information Law, and all laws dealing with the relationship between County Council, the County Administrator, and county employees. What could be easier?

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No problem JD IF the law is fairly applied.

-1-opinion

I would suggest equally applied. Current and past council members have given instructions to individual County employees/departments. To single out the two that Preston perceived as enemies and not mention other Council members that have done the same thing is just wrong!  

I will also note today is the 29th and there is still no mention of it by the AIM (in the paper or online).

 

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I'm sure the AIM will get to the story soon, Non-seq. With the holiday season and the new editor coming in, it probably just slipped through the cracks. You have to take steps to avoid missing a ruling that's issued two days before a four-day holiday begins.

1-Opinion, let's go back to your issue with the law being applied "fairly" and look at something that's already happened and been adjudicated. Now, keep in mind, I have no intention of helping the incoming council or any of their other official or unofficial spokesmen make a mockery of 4-9-660, but I'm going to give you a bit of advice here about something that nobody else seems to have noticed.

SSHM and I have both likened this ongoing battle to a chess match, which seems to be an appropriate analogy as the various sides move, counter move, castle and ponder their next moves. Joey Preston, so far, has proven to be the grandmaster of the board. BUT HE'S LEFT HIS QUEEN EXPOSED. And while y'all are piddling around swapping pawn for pawn, he's left a hole in his defense wide enough to drive a truck through.

Let's go back to Judge Alex McCauley's ruling for the majority when Cindy Wilson's request for a writ of mandamus requiring Preston to reveal legal narratives (that ruling was issued on January 23, 2008.) I agreed at the time with McCauley's ruling that COUNCIL AS A WHOLE had to waive attorney-client privilege, since Preston had asked for a vote of Council calling for NOT releasing those legal narratives.

Here's part of McCauley's ruling:

"The attorney-client privilege is based upon a public policy that the best interest of society is served by promoting a relationship between the attorney and the client whereby utmost confidence in the continuing secrecy of all confidential disclosures made by the client within the relationship is maintained. State v. Doster, supra. The attorney-client privilege belongs to the client and not the attorney, and may be waived only by the client. Tucker v. Honda of South Carolina Mfg., Inc., supra. �In general, the burden of establishing the privilege rests upon the party asserting it. State v. Love, supra.

"Wilson argues the Administrator should not be making judgments about what is subject to the attorney-client privilege. However, when a request for a document is made, the Administrator consults with the County's attorney and asks whether it is attorney-client privileged information. The determination of what is privileged information is based on legal advice the Administrator receives from the County's attorney. Therefore, we find the Administrator is not making the determination but is relating the information he receives from the County's attorney to the Council when a request is made for possibly privileged documents.

"Wilson, as a council member, cannot independently review attorney-client privileged documents. The privilege belongs to the client County; and the Council, as a whole, is authorized to release that information and has to waive the privilege before an individual council member can review privileged documents. See S.C. Code Ann. 30-4-40(a)(7) (2007) (a public body may but is not required to exempt from disclosure the following information: correspondence or work products of legal counsel for a public body and any other material that would violate attorney-client relationships). The trial court did not abuse its discretion by finding a writ of mandamus cannot issue against the Administrator to compel him to release information where the Council has not authorized such a release. See Redmond, supra (quasi-judicial duty requires discretion in determining how or whether the act shall be done or the course pursued); Charleston County Sch. Dist., supra (appellate court will not overturn decision not to issue a writ of mandamus unless the trial court abuses its discretion)."

CONCLUSION

"We find the trial court did not err by ruling a writ of mandamus cannot issue to compel the Administrator to deliver the county's financial documents to Wilson in a particular manner or within a particular time frame. We further find the trial court did not err by ruling a writ of mandamus cannot issue to compel the Administrator to release attorney-client privileged information without authorization by the client County. Accordingly, the decision of the trial court is AFFIRMED.

 

Now, notice the parts I put in bold: Those legal narratives, and any other supposed "attorney-client" privileged information, can be released by a vote of the entire Council. Prior to Wilson filing her lawsuit, County Council had made just such a vote.

I had argued then that the vote was unnecessary, since it has always been my belief that attorney-client privilege in cases like this accrues to the ADMINISTRATOR, not to COUNTY COUNCIL. But McCauley ruled otherwise, and since I highly respect both him and the law, it now is in the hands of Council to decide whether Cindy Wilson, writ of mandamus of no writ of mandamus, gets to see those documents. One simple vote. One simple majority. One big nightmare for Preston and the former Council majority.

You see, PRESTON, it seems, has waived his attorney-client privilege. He did it by subrogating (look it up) that right to a County Council majority that favored him. A new County Council majority that does not favor him (even though it can't do anything to him under the "hold blameless" agreement) can overrule that initial decision and render McCauley's ruling totally moot.

So, 1-Opinion, while y'all are harassing county employees in violation of 4-9-660 and chasing your tails all over the county trying to prove the Preston was doing his best to undermine C. Wilson and Waldrep's ability to do their jobs as the peoples' representatives, THE SMOKING GUN IS RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU.

It's still smoking. Call in forensics - and I don't mean the auditors. This could explain, in part, why the county attorney is looking frantically for the exit before somebody notices Preston's dumb move. Laughing

It's also one of the reasons the JDTippett screen name is headed for the exit, too. I value the law, whether it favors me or not, and that occasionally seems to put me on both sides of the issues. Sorry about that, but, as they say, rules are rules - and rulings are rulings. The court has ruled on Cindy Wilson's request for a writ of mandamus regarding those legal narratives - and their ruling AGAINST her back in January basically sets the board up for a WIN by her.

Funny how much difference year can make, isn't it? At the first meeting of 2009, Cindy Wilson could make a motion for the county to waive attorney-client privilege on all matters related to Joey Preston, get a simple majority vote, and move forward with a public dump of things that never should be made public - but they CAN be made public, and there's not a thing JoeyPreston, or Tom Martin, or even Michael Cunningham can do to stop it.

I said when it happened it was dumb of Preston and Martin to request that Council vote on attorney-client privilege. Now you see why. Preston could have retained that attorney-client privilege to his grave ... but he chose instead to seek political cover from County Council. DUH!


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Story's up on the AIM website now, as of about a half hour ago.

 http://www.independentmail.com/news/2008/dec/29/county-wins-injunction-against-waldrep-and-wilson/

I totally agree with this ruling (if anybody really cares what I think), but it seems to me that a majority vote by the incoming council to "investigate" specific departments would render it totally moot. It's unfortunate, but members of Council, particularly those in the majority, seem frequently capable of finding new and creative ways to bypass the INTENT of the law, if not the letter of the law.

Anybody else want to weigh in on that?

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1-0pinion, I agree with you as far as Floyd using her influence with Animal Control, but I also recognize that if the guy in front of me runs a red light, and I follow him and get pulled by a police officer, "He did it, too" isn't a legal defense. Okay, maybe it is in Wiliamston. I know. I've tried it. [image]

Here's your compromise position: The new Council approves a resolution calling for everybody to follow the law - specifically, both the letter AND the spirit of the S.C. Freedom of Information Law, and all laws dealing with the relationship between County Council, the County Administrator, and county employees. What could be easier?


-jdtippett



You think the Council should have to FOIA information on which they base decisions about the county finances and law suits? Lord man, talk about creating a bureaucratic impossibility for running a county. The Administrator works at the pleasure of the Council, if they ask for something as an employee it is his job to provide it.

If I am not mistaken, it was at Preston's "invitation" that C Wilson & Waldrep showed up at the finance department. Preston said (not quoting here) you can see anything you want. They took the press to show that he really didn't mean it. That's when Cunninham & Jones blocked the hallway and showed that his statement was not true. Until we FOIA the affidavits from all those wroged employees we do not really know how strong their complaints are do we?

As for being just as guilty as the next person, guilty would mean both people who ran the light OR all Council who interfered with county employees should have been included in the temporary injunction not just the one or two that were singled out for personal reasons. After the November 18th meeting this injunction should include, Greer, Wilson & Floyd by their own statements about directly contacting employees and instructing them. Floyd has been walking all over county employees for years and everyone knows it. One can not talk about uniform enforcement and this suit in the same paragraph while keeping a straight face. <G>

You have clearly demonstrated that this county will continue to be so dysfunctional that it cannot ever actually move forward. Let's all hope Greenville and other areas keep bringing in business, the employees will need somewhere to live if you keep you head out of the politics, Anderson is a pretty place to live. LOL
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You think the Council should have to FOIA information on which they base decisions about the county finances and law suits? Lord man, talk about creating a bureaucratic impossibility for running a county. The Administrator works at the pleasure of the Council, if they ask for something as an employee it is his job to provide it. If I am not mistaken, it was at Preston's "invitation" that C Wilson & Waldrep showed up at the finance department. Preston said (not quoting here) you can see anything you want. They took the press to show that he really didn't mean it. That's when Cunninham & Jones blocked the hallway and showed that his statement was not true. Until we FOIA the affidavits from all those wroged employees we do not really know how strong their complaints are do we?As for being just as guilty as the next person, guilty would mean both people who ran the light OR all Council who interfered with county employees should have been included in the temporary injunction not just the one or two that were singled out for personal reasons. After the November 18th meeting this injunction should include, Greer, Wilson & Floyd by their own statements about directly contacting employees and instructing them. Floyd has been walking all over county employees for years and everyone knows it. One can not talk about uniform enforcement and this suit in the same paragraph while keeping a straight face. &lt;G&gt;You have clearly demonstrated that this county will continue to be so dysfunctional that it cannot ever actually move forward. Let's all hope Greenville and other areas keep bringing in business, the employees will need somewhere to live if you keep you head out of the politics, Anderson is a pretty place to live. LOL

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Preston saying "you can see anything you want" is not an invitation to storm the court house and demand to go through county files.
Besides, we all know that none of this is about "freedom of information."
It's about MCW and now her sidekick trying to control the county staff by requiring them to produce an abundance of information which is not serving the public.

Also, you mentioned Larry Greer and Gracie Floyd have been guilty of going directly to county employees. They shouldn't do that. However, merely calling a county employee is not the same as interference. My guess is, IF Greer called Ms. Humphreys directly, she immediately checked with Mr. Preston, who likely told her to go ahead. Actually, it was rather adept of Mr. Greer to check on where the funds might come from so he could inform the public on how the buyout would be funded.

As you know, I like to keep score. Thus far, MCW has zero in the win column.
SHE has forced most of the leagal action. If the council is going to change, it needs to start with her. Preston is 14 and 0 but he is GONE! She is still there. Only she (and some of her buddies) can change things now.

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 Preston is 14 and 0 but he is GONE! She is still there. Only she (and some of her buddies) can change things now.

-republikin

"Only the strong survive" a Jerry Butler song from 1969 has a chorus that sums it up well!

Only the strong survive, only the strong survive,
Oh, youve got to be strong, youd better hold on
cos only the strong survive
Only the strong survive, only the strong survive,
Well, youve got to be a man, youve got to take a stand
Only the strong survive, only the strong survive   

 

He couldn't face a Council that was not in his pocket. He is gone and she is still there to bring the change so very much needed by Anderson County. If she doesn't, I'm sure the three new Council members will change things!

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"Only the strong survive" a Jerry Butler song from 1969 has a chorus that sums it up well!

Only the strong survive, only the strong survive,Oh, youve got to be strong, youd better hold oncos only the strong surviveOnly the strong survive, only the strong survive,Well, youve got to be a man, youve got to take a standOnly the strong survive, only the strong survive

He couldn't face a Council that was not in his pocket. He is gone and she is still there to bring the change so very much needed by Anderson County. If she doesn't, I'm sure the three new Council members will change things!

-non-sequitur

You wish....we can only hope !

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Here's a new score: Cunningham 1 Wilson/Waldrip 0

The names change but the outcome is the same.

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According to a story in AIM, Mr. Cunningham is offering a palm leaf to Ms. Wilson and Mr. Waldrip, IF they can behave like adults and leave management to the administrator. The ball is in their court.

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Does anyone think that they can do that?
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QUEEN!!!
I sent you a message! I can't find your email address, and I have the wrong phone no. I want to talk to you and the Marine!

Sorry to interrupt!

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