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Leave it to SSHM to try to discredit the text because I picked a piece done by one of them foreign groups. Get a fricking clue bozo. Who wrote it matter not, what it says does and whether you us GAAP in the US or similat accounting standards of another county

Leave it to SSHM and his perfect call sign to miss the relevance, how revealing. LOL Suggesting that INTOSAI Auditing Standards have no relevance in Anderson, SC is a perfect example of the small mind stuck in self imposed ignorance.

So in your world American CPA's can't audit international companies doing business here? Do they have to send out to their home country to have an audit done? I guess having international standards for auditing would be too difficult a concept for you to grasp. ROTFLMAO

Diatribe? Do you know what that means? Bravo for being able to click on the link I provided and read the source. Relevance? I hope you have a constant supply of oxycodone.

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Oh ... so finding an article about auditing practices in ASIA cirra 2001 is relevant in Anderson, SC in 2008 HOW?

Let me find something a little more current for you to chew on and understand, m'kay?

How the Federal Government Does It:
http://www.gao.gov/govaud/ybk01.htm

How about the way American CPAs Audit:
http://www.aicpa.org/

Now ... get a CLUE before you spout off about something you know NOTHING about.


- SSHM
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Maybe the reason people are talking about "limited" is to try to reach a middle ground with those who say there is no need for an aduit now that The Joey is gone?
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Leave it to SSHM and his perfect call sign to miss the relevance, how revealing. LOL Suggesting that INTOSAI Auditing Standards have no relevance in Anderson, SC is a perfect example of the small mind stuck in self imposed ignorance.


-1-opinion



I must disagree. Your article actually has no relevance to Anderson's problem.

I read no Auditing Standards noted in the article. Perhaps I misread, but I believe the article is simply a review of then present state of this group's auditing procedures and a discussion of possible changes.

I just wonder how carefully you checked the members of the governing board of ASOSAI.
Included are the Auditor General of Pakistan,  the AG of Bangladesh, the President of the State Audit Bureau of Kuwait, and  the AG People’s Republic of China.

Hardly a group of capitalistic democracies.

Their concepts of accounting and auditing should hardly be used  as  criterions for a forensic audit in the United States.

I also note that the report was  about seven years old. 

 
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Maybe the reason people are talking about "limited" is to try to reach a middle ground with those who say there is no need for an aduit now that The Joey is gone?

-janedoe



There is no way a ' foll audit', a 'limited audit', a 'forensic audit' can be put out to bid.

Each must be specifically defined or no CPA firm would dare to bid on such vague terms.

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Is anyone surprised that 1-O would scour the web to find something, anything to support his pre-determined conculsions and ignore anything that doesn't?

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No, 1-Opinion is certainly determined and vindictive. Sadly, I think he (she?) is correct about the possibility of doing a limited audit of so-called "problem" areas.

I can't believe anybody thinks it's impossible to do a "limited" audit, forensic or otherwise. If the Solicitor's Office or SLED suspects wrongdoing in, say, the roads and bridges department, can they not do an audit of that department without having to audit every single account in Anderson County? Of course they can. They can ratchet the scope of the audit down to ONE INDIVIDUAL if the want to.

Please. It's ridiculous to claim an all-or-nothing basis for an audit of this type. You can selectively audit any departments you want to audit if there's reasonable suspicion of irregularities. To claim otherwise makes no sense on so many levels. And I've said before here that anything beyond that type of limited audit - over and above the standard annual audit - would be a total waste of money and time.

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Is anyone surprised that 1-O would scour the web to find something, anything to support his pre-determined conculsions and ignore anything that doesn't?


-sweet-p



No need to scour when all you have to do is google the words "forensic audit" and volia! What do you base your opinions on, your opinions or do you research anything? You don't like the article find one that refutes what the one I found said. LOL


No, 1-Opinion is certainly determined and vindictive. Sadly, I think he (she?) is correct about the possibility of doing a limited audit of so-called "problem" areas.


-jdtippett



The Council waived their right to pursue Preston with any finding from an audit. Given that fact, how would an audit be vindictive?


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No, 1-Opinion is certainly determined and vindictive. Sadly, I think he (she?) is correct about the possibility of doing a limited audit of so-called "problem" areas.

I can't believe anybody thinks it's impossible to do a "limited" audit, forensic or otherwise. If the Solicitor's Office or SLED suspects wrongdoing in, say, the roads and bridges department, can they not do an audit of that department without having to audit every single account in Anderson County? Of course they can. They can ratchet the scope of the audit down to ONE INDIVIDUAL if the want to.

Please. It's ridiculous to claim an all-or-nothing basis for an audit of this type. You can selectively audit any departments you want to audit if there's reasonable suspicion of irregularities. To claim otherwise makes no sense on so many levels. And I've said before here that anything beyond that type of limited audit - over and above the standard annual audit - would be a total waste of money and time.


-jdtippett




JD,

It is impossible to do a limited audit, however one can do a audit limited to, say, all credit card reimbursements for the period 07/01/07 through 06/30/08. To ask for bids on a ''imited audit' without defining the expenditures or accounts involved and the period to be examined will get no takers.

However, that kind of audit will find no dollar total that would justify the cost thereof, unless the reason is to 'get' the alleged perp.

 All material expenditures would have been reviewed during the annual audit. To find any questionable material items woukld probably cost the CPA firm it's certification.
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I'm no expert here, PAPPY, but it would seem to me one would need a microscope to figure out the difference between a "limited audit" and an "audit limited to ..." We're playing semantics. Laughing

Any RFQ sent to accounting firms would certainly define those limits.

(By the way, unless the law has changed in the past 10 years - and it wouldn't surprise me if it has - you do not put things like engineering, architectural or accounting services out for "bids." You send out a "request for qualifications" and make the determination of who to select based on that, THEN you negotiate the price. It's a pain in the a** to do it that way, but those professionals are apparently 'pecial.) Wink

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No need to scour when all you have to do is google the words "forensic audit" and volia! What do you base your opinions on, your opinions or do you research anything? You don't like the article find one that refutes what the one I found said. LOL

The Council waived their right to pursue Preston with any finding from an audit. Given that fact, how would an audit be vindictive?

-1-opinion



Google and get "forensic audit," eh?

Talk about lazy ...

You linked the VERY first thing you came across (1-O's link is THE FIRST item returned from Google) without checking to see if there was ANY application to the topic at hand. To make certain, that topic would involve ANDERSON COUNTY, not audit practices of nations of the Pacific Rim. Yell

Your Google-Fu skills are weak . . . come back when you have learned how to work an internet search engine.


- SSHM

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I'm no expert here, PAPPY, but it would seem to me one would need a microscope to figure out the difference between a "limited audit" and an "audit limited to ..." We're playing semantics. [image]

Any RFQ sent to accounting firms would certainly define those limits.

(By the way, unless the law has changed in the past 10 years - and it wouldn't surprise me if it has - you do not put things like engineering, architectural or accounting services out for "bids." You send out a "request for qualifications" and make the determination of who to select based on that, THEN you negotiate the price. It's a pain in the a** to do it that way, but those professionals are apparently 'pecial.) [image]


-jdtippett



Didn't know about the procedure. Thanks for the info.

Not trying to be microscopic, but no CPA firm would consider itself qualified to negotiate the price of a 'limited audit' without the specific limitations spelled out in the original 'request'.

That's why I said the resolution passed calling for a 'full audit' could not be negotiated with any firm until the definition was explicit as to exactly what the Council meant.

There is an important practical element in this County situation that hasn't been addressed. The Council probably will find it very difficult to locate any CPA firm willing to to 'reaudit' data already audited by a fellow firm that found no material improprieties.

Us 'specials call it professional courtesy.Sealed
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Google and get "forensic audit," eh?

Talk about lazy ...

You linked the VERY first thing you came across (1-O's link is THE FIRST item returned from Google) without checking to see if there was ANY application to the topic at hand. To make certain, that topic would involve ANDERSON COUNTY, not audit practices of nations of the Pacific Rim. [image]


Your Google-Fu skills are weak . . . come back when you have learned how to work an internet search engine.






- SSHM


-sshm



Lazy is an bobo head that accuses someone who at least did some research and came up with a requested definition then attacks that person for taking the time to do so. How is that script holding up? I know it's hard for you to understand that CPA's follow international guidelines as well as GAAP and national and have an expanded knowledge beyond yours and mine. Fact of the matter is - a forensic audit is the same all the way around the world CPA's. D'oh.  

Checkmate. Don't hate the player, hate the game LOL

Also, the audit as poorly defined as out esteemed Council of five voted, does not bind the in coming Council, they can use that as a guideline and refine the audit.

My skills aren't so weak; you aren't able to come up with a document that shows the article I chose is incorrect at any levle, you just hate the research.
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Wyatt, you are talking about yourself here. You are one of those the most guilty of pretending they have special knowledge and understanding when in fact you are just a rude man with no manners.

ROTFLMAO SSHM

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Rude, eh?   Looking at your responses to others....not nice to be so blatantly two-faced there Oppie.  Oh, I forgot my manners.  SIR, you are a"frikkin Bozo" idiot! ( mods continue to ignore the "personal attacks")

As for non squirter, you KNOW who I am already.  Seen us in council sessions, on television, in the press, and many social functions where we don't "hide" from nobody.   Shoot, just ask yourblog-daddy JD, he'll divulge all the personal details, maybe give you my password or cell number.....  Use the link under my name ninnie.  Real detective work. As indepth as your information you post about ( copied from others).    I NEVER claimed any financial training or banking knowledge. I never worked FOR the County or it's affiliates.  I don't suck anyone's toes to get my say in court.  Simply an intelligent and non-cooperative YANKEE who hates this bitterness that passes for community.  As a human who attended/graduated higher learning facilities,  can read, write, function without a gang and reason without copy/paste, its not hard to figger out the issues, problem people and resolutions to those root causes. DUH!  A poster said it best above. You b*tched about Gene Taylor, he's gone.  You b*tched about Joey Preston, he's gone in a few days. You b*tched about Dave Crenshaw, he too is gone.You b*tch bout the council, you replaced them and STILL  whine like a stuck mule in a mudhole. After YEARS of this senseless bickering, it still rambles on & on.  Find another scapegoat.

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Oh, don't worry about 1-Opinion, Wyatt. He'll still have Gracie Floyd, Ron Wilson (his former knight in shining armor who apparently came to the same conclusion other have that the constant negativism is counterproductive) and Michael Cunningham to dump on, not to mention a bunch of hard-working county employees who are, sadly, about to fall victim to petty politics. And the Prestonistas who have lost their leader stsill have Cindy Wilson and Bob Waldrep to dump on. The more things change, the more they remain the same.

It is, indeed, time for this "senseless bickering" to end on all front. But, for reasons you, 1-Opinion, I and many others here demonstrate, it won't unfortunately.

Wyatt, I have trouble keeping up with my own passwords. I don't need to clutter my head up with somebody else's. I do have the home and cellphone numbers of several members here, but that's by mutual agreement, not through any Sherlock Holmes sleuthing I've done on my own. In fact, you're welcome to my phone numbers if you ever want to talk.

I'm not that hard to find. I'm neither "Blog Daddy" nor "Lord and Creator" of Anderson Talkzone. I'm one of five moderators of this forum. But if (as I inferred from your post) you think "scapegoating" is wrong, I would ask you if what y'all have done to the JDTippett and PAPPY screen names over on the other forum and on this one is any less wrong?

I didn't know Homeland Park allowed glass houses. Wink

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Rude, eh? Looking at your responses to others....not nice to be so blatantly two-faced there Oppie. Oh, I forgot my manners. SIR, you are a"frikkin Bozo" idiot! ( mods continue to ignore the "personal attacks")

As for non squirter, you KNOW who I am already. Seen us in council sessions, on television, in the press, and many social functions where we don't "hide" from nobody. Shoot, just ask yourblog-daddy JD, he'll divulge all the personal details, maybe give you my password or cell number..... Use the link under my name ninnie. Real detective work. As indepth as your information you post about ( copied from others). I NEVER claimed any financial training or banking knowledge. I never worked FOR the County or it's affiliates. I don't suck anyone's toes to get my say in court. Simply an intelligent and non-cooperative YANKEE who hates this bitterness that passes for community. As a human who attended/graduated higher learning facilities, can read, write, function without a gang and reason without copy/paste, its not hard to figger out the issues, problem people and resolutions to those root causes. DUH! A poster said it best above. You b*tched about Gene Taylor, he's gone. You b*tched about Joey Preston, he's gone in a few days. You b*tched about Dave Crenshaw, he too is gone.You b*tch bout the council, you replaced them and STILL whine like a stuck mule in a mudhole. After YEARS of this senseless bickering, it still rambles on & on. Find another scapegoat.


-wyatt1sc



Yes rude. I would quote you from Hankey's blog but I would then be off the blog for a week of penance from JD. Sometime you have to speak to people on their level to insure they get the point like you and SSHM and it works, look at your response, a diatribe, filled with anger and insults. LOL You make my case.

I think JD just agreed partially with the piece I quoted on the life cycle of a "democracy" some time back.

It is no secret I find Floyd to be incompetent but she is a moot point after the 30th. R Wilson lost his integrity when he made a few false statements and pushed the buyout. He will do a slow 180 and try to save himself in 2010 from the buyout fallout. As for Cunningham, he has yet to prove himself but I do object to the manner by which he got the position of Administrator and that Preston dictated the same contract terms to McNair/Martin that allow the fab five to buy him out at the mere mention of a possible suit.

Sorry for the double post it sent before I finished. I was looking something up LOL

 
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I don't suck anyone's toes to get my say in court. -wyatt IMHO...That's kinda funny.
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Here is an American paper on the role of forensic Audits. It's very long but jump to page 4 and discover there is no vast difference between the first article I sited (concise & easy to read) and this one, long, very long & detailed.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_go1613/is_1_16/ai_n29335599/pg_4?tag=artBody;col1

As I said to begin with, the forensic audit has other benefits.

Enjoy. The whole paper is fairly interesting.
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