So, JD, what's the mysterious "Teddy Bear" project?
Pickens County offers 'Teddy Bear' tax, land deal
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String, you know I couldn't and wouldn't post that info here prematurely even if I had every detail. There's a process they're going through, and I respect that. But I'm relatively sure it's safe to say it involves the county's Industrial Park off U.S. 123. That's the only land Pickens County has to provide for a new industry that already has infrastructure in place. (SSHM was absolutely correct on another thread recently about the importance of having that infrastructure in place if you're going to recruit industry.)
Of course, with a name like "Project Teddy Bear" maybe it's the construction of the "Heartbreak Hotel and Casino" down at that old Tri-County Landfill site near Clemson. Or maybe they're announcing a new prison on that site so we can all sing "Jailhouse Rock" and Dabo can have an early recruiting coup.
Yeah, yeah, I know. Don't be cruel. Thank you, thank you very much. 
(SSHM was absolutely correct on another thread recently about the importance of having that infrastructure in place if you're going to recruit industry.)-jdtippett
Don't step on my blue suede shoes, JD ...
- SSHM
String, you know I couldn't and wouldn't post that info here prematurely even if I had every detail. There's a process they're going through, and I respect that. But I'm relatively sure it's safe to say it involves the county's Industrial Park off U.S. 123. That's the only land Pickens County has to provide for a new industry that already has infrastructure in place. (SSHM was absolutely correct on another thread recently about the importance of having that infrastructure in place if you're going to recruit industry.)
Of course, with a name like "Project Teddy Bear" maybe it's the construction of the "Heartbreak Hotel and Casino" down at that old Tri-County Landfill site near Clemson. Or maybe they're announcing a new prison on that site so we can all sing "Jailhouse Rock" and Dabo can have an early recruiting coup.
Yeah, yeah, I know. Don't be cruel. Thank you, thank you very much. [image]
-jdtippett
Are you saying that existing sites where industry had once been housed are no longer viable locations for new industry to enter?
Are you saying that existing sites where industry had once been housed are no longer viable locations for new industry to enter?-1-opinion
If the industry that is looking to enter the market matches EXACTLY what the vacant industrial facility once housed, certainly!
However, I have serious doubts about textiles returning to the area to occupy facilities that were once run by textiles. Textiles that were driven out of existance because of their inability to compete, either by cheap labor, or failure to re-invest in the facility/technology to combat the cheap labor.
The point being, 1-Opinion is this: Just because you HAD industry at a given location, does not mean you want to RETURN industry to the exact location. We can go back to my example of the Equinox Plant from yesterday. Major industry, literally, in someones backyard is not welcome and honestly, may not meet zoning requirements.
For those that might not know about Equinox, I am referring to the now closed Glen-Raven facility (Equinox Plant) located between the Alphabet Streets and Westside High School. Now, while heavy industry might be far from ideal for this particular location, a business or office building would be ideal (via adaptive reuse).
- SSHM
In many cases, 1-Opinion, that's exactly what I'm saying. At the very least, if you rely almost totally on buildings that were occupied by failed industries, you wind up recruiting more similar industries that will fail.
If you continually short-change the process of long-term planning - which occasionally means the construction of such things as sewer capacity you do not need immediately or roads that are over-engineered for current needs - you will eventually put yourself right out of the industrial recruitment game.
For four decades now, we have been put at a disadvantage by a combination of the extremes of liberalism (which call for spending massive amounts of money on the current needs of those who have no intention of achieving self-sufficiency) and the extremes of conservatism (which call for no tax increases any time for any reason if it can't be justified by existing needs.) Both extreme philosophies are dead wrong, since neither one adequately addresses critical needs for the future. Both pander to the "me" generations, either the "I've got mine and the rest of you can go to hell" philosophy of property owners who scream about every penny invested in the future or to the "Well, if the governement isn't writing ME a check, I'm against it" philosophy of ne'er-do-wells who think it's the government's job to take care of them from cradle to grave.
As we speak, both Pickens County and Anderson County are hanging on by a fingernail after being ping-ponged between those two extremes for four decades now. That's just a cold, cruel fact of 21st Century life.
In many cases, 1-Opinion, that's exactly what I'm saying. At the very least, if you rely almost totally on buildings that were occupied by failed industries, you wind up recruiting more similar industries that will fail.If you continually short-change the process of long-term planning - which occasionally means the construction of such things as sewer capacity you do not need immediately or roads that are over-engineered for current needs - you will eventually put yourself right out of the industrial recruitment game.
For four decades now, we have been put at a disadvantage by a combination of the extremes of liberalism (which call for spending massive amounts of money on the current needs of those who have no intention of achieving self-sufficiency) and the extremes of conservatism (which call for no tax increases any time for any reason if it can't be justified by existing needs.) Both extreme philosophies are dead wrong, since neither one adequately addresses critical needs for the future. Both pander to the "me" generations, either the "I've got mine and the rest of you can go to hell" philosophy of property owners who scream about every penny invested in the future or to the "Well, if the governement isn't writing ME a check, I'm against it" philosophy of ne'er-do-wells who think it's the government's job to take care of them from cradle to grave.
As we speak, both Pickens County and Anderson County are hanging on by a fingernail after being ping-ponged between those two extremes for four decades now. That's just a cold, cruel fact of 21st Century life.
-jdtippett
You got it JD: Cept, over her in AC we just voted down infrastructure funding because the Rick Driver/ Cindy Wilson / Bab Waldrep crowd pooh'd all over it.
They do that while at the same time deriding county econmic development efforts. You have to have soemthing to sell or bargain with. Promises to build, etc. don't cut it in the fast-paced internationl competition we are in. One more thing. If AC had an EC project dubbed "Teddy Bear," can you imagine the implications? Maybe the return of an adult restaurant on the Georgia / Anderson County border?
One more thing. If AC had an EC project dubbed "Teddy Bare," can you imagine the implications? Maybe the return of an adult restaurant on the Georgia / Anderson County border?
-republikin
Fixed that typo for ya.
One more thing. If AC had an EC project dubbed "Teddie Bare," can you imagine the implications? Maybe the return of an adult restaurant on the Georgia / Anderson County border?
-republikin
Might as well fix both typos while we're at it.
Might as well fix both typos while we're at it. [image]
-jdtippett
Hey thanks, I'll take all the help I can get. Of course, you being who you are, you assumed I was referring to "Teddie Bare." My example was for "Teddy Bear." Over here in Anderson, we don't want to copy Pick'ns folks.
You got it JD: Cept, over her in AC we just voted down infrastructure funding because the Rick Driver/ Cindy Wilson / Bab Waldrep crowd pooh'd all over it.
They do that while at the same time deriding county econmic development efforts. You have to have soemthing to sell or bargain with. Promises to build, etc. don't cut it in the fast-paced internationl competition we are in. One more thing. If AC had an EC project dubbed "Teddy Bear," can you imagine the implications? Maybe the return of an adult restaurant on the Georgia / Anderson County border?-republikin
so now yer saying that Rick Driver and Crowd control over 60% of the county voters? What a bunch of crap.
People are tired of higher taxes with little or no return on the investment. Infrastructure should have been taken care of incrementally. But no. We have to have the Kroger building, we have to have trips all over the country for Economic Development that brings no jobs. We have to have the old stitchery building, and new artsy fartsy buildings and oh yeah, the tourist magnet MUSEUM!
Fix our roads and bridges with the money we have in the general fund and stop with the fluff.
No one ever said we should rely only on those industrial buildings that we currently have available. All I suggested is we have buildings that could be filled if we had a plan. Infrastructure is a must to expand. My post was about getting back to where we were prior to all these plants closing.
The Driver crowd is to blame for everything in Repblikins eyes which is ludicrous. Preston had the votes to pass anything and we have need of repairs to our roads and bridges as well as needing to improve our infrastructure. How exactly is the Driver crowd to blame for that? It was the Preston legacy and some projects that appeared to be fluff that caused the failure of the 1 cent sales tax, not the Driver crowd.
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The Driver crowd is to blame for everything in Repblikins eyes which is ludicrous. Preston had the votes to pass anything and we have need of repairs to our roads and bridges as well as needing to improve our infrastructure. How exactly is the Driver crowd to blame for that? It was the Preston legacy and some projects that appeared to be fluff that caused the failure of the 1 cent sales tax, not the Driver crowd.
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Maybe he meant Driver controls 60% of the voters who listen to his tripe.
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Maybe he meant Driver controls 60% of the voters who listen to his tripe.-wyatt1sc
Why do some people get upset when the truth is brought out about Driver? First of all Rick Driver would not have a job if he didn't keep people stirred up. The more people that listen to his rants the more he can charge advertisers. I have known Rick since High School. I have never disliked Rick but his Business is to keep people stirred up so they will listen to his show every morning. Rick is after that advertising dollar more than he is out to take care of Anderson County.
so now yer saying that Rick Driver and Crowd control over 60% of the county voters? What a bunch of crap.People are tired of higher taxes with little or no return on the investment. Infrastructure should have been taken care of incrementally. But no. We have to have the Kroger building, we have to have trips all over the country for Economic Development that brings no jobs. We have to have the old stitchery building, and new artsy fartsy buildings and oh yeah, the tourist magnet MUSEUM!Fix our roads and bridges with the money we have in the general fund and stop with the fluff.-willieh
Willey Hilley,
I just wish one time that you knew what you were talking about. Spouting generalizations gleend from listening every day to the drivil on that Radio Show do not enhance your credibility.
Willey Hilley,
I just wish one time that you knew what you were talking about. Spouting generalizations gleend from listening every day to the drivil on that Radio Show do not enhance your credibility.
-petunia1
I tend to agree with Willieh on some of his points. First of all, it is a known fact that most government officials fund the stuff that isn't an essential part of government first. Then, they make tough decisions and fund the essentials.
That is how they get tax increases pushed through. Can anyone really agree that government should grow faster than the economy and population? I have personally seen this happen in several areas that I have lived in.
I can't remember how much the county budget grew this year, but it was way above inflation, plus population growth. Same can be said for the state budget, and look what that is going through.
We are in a financial mess. It started with government over spending, now we are all having to pay the piper.
Maybe he meant Driver controls 60% of the voters who listen to his tripe.
-wyatt1sc
Except in previous posts you write about how few people actually listen. The County does every morning, do you? I do not.
Except in previous posts you write about how few people actually listen. The County does every morning, do you? I do not.-1-opinion
Oh I wouldn't miss the comedy show after every council meeting. More freaks and geeks than a Howard Stern broadcast. Makes me long for the Doctor Demento show even more.
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