Alright, NFL fans, here's the question: Was Pittsburgh's Ryan Smith's hit on New England's Wesley Welker yesterday a cheapshot or a legal hit? If the NFL separates the men from the boys, should it not be legal for one of those men to occasionally separate one of the boys from the ability to remember his ZIP code for a few minutes?
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NFL no longer a contact sport?
Of course it was a legal hit. My question is why wouldn't it be considered a legal hit?
That's what I was asking, Noeline. The defensive back was penalized for "unnecessary roughness" and will quite probably be fined tens of thousands of dollars by the league for that hit. Ridiculous.
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Australian-rules football! No helmets, no pads, no illegal contact, no pansy roughing the quarterback. First team to bleed wins
Reminds me of the old jingle...
Ricka Ricka Ree
Kick 'em in the knee.
Ricka Ricka Rass!!!
Kick 'em in the ..... OTHER KNEE.
(I did adore Bob Hope!)
Reminds me of the old jingle...
Ricka Ricka Ree
Kick 'em in the knee.
Ricka Ricka Rass!!!
Kick 'em in the ..... OTHER KNEE.
(I did adore Bob Hope!)
-the-queen
Queen,
I believe the third stanza started 'Ricka ricka ralls,
There never was a question of legality. The appeals court has found, “ there are no principles of law which allow a court to rule out certain tortious conduct by reason of general roughness of the game or difficulty of administering it.”
If you are referring to the question of rule compliance, A call of unnecessary roughness is solely an official’s decision. So, in that regard, the call was ‘legal’ and proper because it involves an individual’s judgment. Just as a call of balls and strikes in baseball, you may disagree but the call stands without any review during the game.
As a fan, I saw a hit that was rough ( but that is the name of the game ). I also believe that it was unnecessary in that particular instance, however a game is longer than one play and a defensive safety has to secure his turf. That makes the hit necessary for him and for his team. The next receiver entering Smith’s zone will hear cleats before they arrive. Welker has been catching them in traffic long enough to anticipate that hit whether he makes a catch or not. Until the whistle blows a receiver must be prepared for anything and always protect himself.
The time frame between the tipped ball and the hit was so short that Smith probably didn’t even see the tip and was only intent on exploding on Welker to keep him from holding on to the ball.. Anyone that ever played ball is taught you don’t have time to think, you have to just react. That’s the main purpose of practice.
If you are referring to the question of rule compliance, A call of unnecessary roughness is solely an official’s decision. So, in that regard, the call was ‘legal’ and proper because it involves an individual’s judgment. Just as a call of balls and strikes in baseball, you may disagree but the call stands without any review during the game.
As a fan, I saw a hit that was rough ( but that is the name of the game ). I also believe that it was unnecessary in that particular instance, however a game is longer than one play and a defensive safety has to secure his turf. That makes the hit necessary for him and for his team. The next receiver entering Smith’s zone will hear cleats before they arrive. Welker has been catching them in traffic long enough to anticipate that hit whether he makes a catch or not. Until the whistle blows a receiver must be prepared for anything and always protect himself.
The time frame between the tipped ball and the hit was so short that Smith probably didn’t even see the tip and was only intent on exploding on Welker to keep him from holding on to the ball.. Anyone that ever played ball is taught you don’t have time to think, you have to just react. That’s the main purpose of practice.
Heck man, just let Burris or Vick take care of 'em. Jeez, y'all act like it was a capital murder charge ( if it was, they'd get paid MORE by the league)
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JD. You should ask Darryl Stingley, Oh, I forgot. He died in 2007. He was 55.
Interesting example, G-pap. Jack Tatum was neither flagged nor fined for that long-ago hit on Stingley. Seems he intented to separate Stingley from the football, not separate Stingly from all feeling from mid-chest down. Besides, there are only to ways I know of to intentionally break man's neck. One involves a rope; the other involves both hands (or both hands and a forearm) and a relatively stationary, if not necessarily willing, victim.
Regardles of Tatum's pre-game brags, Stingley's injury was not intentionally inflicted upon him by Tatum. It wasn't the HIT that paralyzed him. It was the ground.
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Regardles of Tatum's pre-game brags, Stingley's injury was not intentionally inflicted upon him by Tatum. It wasn't the HIT that paralyzed him. It was the ground.-jdtippett
Thats like saying jumping off a building won't kill ya, it's the LANDING.
Just like skydiving, Wyatt. It's not the fall that kills you - it's that sudden stop. 
That's what I was asking, Noeline. The defensive back was penalized for "unnecessary roughness" and will quite probably be fined tens of thousands of dollars by the league for that hit. Ridiculous.-jdtippett
Let's keep an eye on this story. There's a good chance that fine for the "hit" will be greater than the fine Burriss (NYG) get's for shooting himself in the thigh?
Interesting example, G-pap. Jack Tatum was neither flagged nor fined for that long-ago hit on Stingley. Seems he intented to separate Stingley from the football, not separate Stingly from all feeling from mid-chest down. Besides, there are only to ways I know of to intentionally break man's neck. One involves a rope; the other involves both hands (or both hands and a forearm) and a relatively stationary, if not necessarily willing, victim.Regardles of Tatum's pre-game brags, Stingley's injury was not intentionally inflicted upon him by Tatum. It wasn't the HIT that paralyzed him. It was the ground.
-jdtippett
JD: I didn't know you are as knowledgeable about violent behavior? Given the partially-veiled threats toward you (I doubt he meant more than blowing of steam) from a former poster, I'd gather he best saty in Anderson County. Both hands and forearm????? Ouch!
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Guess these guys were watching "The Longest Yard".....
That was a "clothesline" tackle, Wyatt. It's always been illegal in the NFL, not because you might break a man's neck but because you might break his jaw or crush his trachea or, worse yet, break your own forearm. Still one of my favorite scenes in "The Longest Yard" though - that and Burt Reynolds hitting Ray Nietsche in the groin TWICE with well-aimed passes.
Republikin, one can learn much from playing golf with a fellow named Billy Hong before he became an unfortunate victim of the KAL 007 incident. What one could not learn is to avoid "thinkographical" errors. That should have been "both hands, or ONE hand and a forearm." 
JDTippett is a student of violent behavior, but not often a practitioner. The worst thing I ever had to do in a fight was to relocate a fella's kneecap. Fight over. The winner, and still champion of the Rainbow Lounge ... 
.... The winner, and still champion of the Rainbow Lounge ... [image]-jdtippett
Dude...did you just say "Rainbow Lounge" ???
http://web.mit.edu/lbgt/lounge/
:-O
