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Concerns over evolution of US government "ownership" of corporate America

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I don't know how many people have noticed (or care), but it seems as though our government is doing alot of "buying" up of Main street and Wall street, with our tax dollars. On top of that, they are doing it with indebtedness to the Federal Reserve. In recent months, the government has bought into controlling interests in banking, insurance, home mortgages, contemplating automakers and alot of other areas the Treasury is not telling people about. In a matter of months, the public's ability to transmit and share video over the FM airwaves will be erased. All the FM analog channels, set up for the televisions in every household in America, will be unlawful to use for that purpose. That puts the control of video transmission among Americans, into the hands of the few carriers and producers of digital signals. A very expensive equipment upgrade for the average holders of analog equipment. The licensing and ownership of that new digital equipment is controlled and limited under new national "security" concerns that this equipment not "get into the wrong hands". This seems to continue a trend of control by our government by narrowing the field of people able to transmit and receive on the public airwaves. Much as they are now reducing the number of people able to own firearms. The gun control interests (of which I see the government as one) has lost in the Supreme Court in their attempt to altogether curtail gun ownership. Since an outright ban has been struck down, they have moved towards, while allowing ownership, tightening the restrictions of how and who is eligible to own a firearm. In other words they aren't illegal, but the bar and hoops you have to jump through are constantly being raised. An ever tightening noose. Patriot Act I and II have set the stage for suspension of the Constitution and Bill of Rights in a "state of emergency". The government is buying up major blocks of private industry with Federal Reserve money for which we have to pay interest to private individuals, gun control is evolving through the same evolutions it did in Australia where it lead to an outright ban, federal troops have already been deployed on US soil once (in response to Katrina and in violation of federal law), tons of changes in identity and travel requirements, what seems to be a rash of reported identity theft issues and a resulting push towards biometric information being gathered on every American, the building of a central DNA bank (starting with people without a voice i.e. criminals, insane, infirm) and the list goes on. I know much of this is being done under the flag of "protecting us from terrorism", but people should remember, the same "fences" we are told being set up to protect us, also serves to imprison us. The BIG picture is just increasingly disturbing. Has anyone else noticed this trend towards increased government controls? A slow erosion is underway of the principles this country was built on. I see us moving towards a cashless society, permitting the government a complete dominance over our lives, as without their ID's, banking procedures and controlled travel, we will not be able to do anything without the government's permission. By the same methods, the government will be able to cut us off, if we challenge it for anything it does. Complete control is being exercised in a slow methodical fashion.
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I posted this a while ago with a bogus commentary at the bottom. I will post the relevant portion here because I believe it is germane to the topic.

HOW LONG DO WE HAVE?

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in
1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of
Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000
years earlier:

'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a
permanent form of government.'

'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover
they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public
treasury.'

'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who
promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every
democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always
followed by a dictatorship.'

'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beg
inning of history, has been about 200 years'

'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the
following sequence:

1. >From bondage to spiritual faith;

2. >From spiritual faith to great courage;

3. >From courage to liberty;

4. >From liberty to abundance;

5. >From abundance to complacency;

6. >From complacency to apathy;

7. >From apathy to dependence;

8. >From dependence back into bondage'

It is my belief we are between #6 & #7 on our way back to the beginning. We expect Uncle sugar to provide us with all we need while giving up our rights because we no longer really want to work; just slop at the trough of what others have earned. Sad really.

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Well, when YOU send back your  tax refund, SSI or stimulus checks, then you can gripe about freebies.  Till then be happy you have the freedom to gripe ( till Communism or JD take over that is...)
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Well, when YOU send back your tax refund, SSI or stimulus checks, then you can gripe about freebies. Till then be happy you have the freedom to gripe ( till Communism or JD take over that is...)

-wyatt1sc

Tax refund? What the heck is that? I haven't received a refund in 20 years, they ask for extra on a quarterly basis LOL. Geeze SSI, not that old yet but that would be a fund I have in fact paid into since I was 14 so that money would be my investment into that fund. stimulus check, There was no provision for returning it so I'll get to add it to my income and pay taxes on it at the end of the year I bet. LOLOLOLOL

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did that hypnotize anyone else besides me? that should be illegal.

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superstar - member
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"A very expensive equipment upgrade for the average holders of analog equipment"
Actually it's almost 18 bucks after you get a coupon, but you get more channels for free than before.

"6. >From complacency to apathy;
7. >From apathy to dependence;
8. >From dependence back into bondage'
It is my belief we are between #6 & #7 on our way back to the beginning. We expect Uncle sugar to provide us with all we need while giving up our rights because we no longer really want to work; just slop at the trough of what others have earned. Sad really."

I'm not buying it. If we are so apathetic, then why did we just have one of the largest voter turnouts in U.S. History (approx. 64 percent of the electorate)?

Geez, it is a time to finally be hopeful, and all of you are being so darn fatalistic.

superstar - member
828 posts


"A very expensive equipment upgrade for the average holders of analog equipment"
Actually it's almost 18 bucks after you get a coupon, but you get more channels for free than before.

"6. >From complacency to apathy;
7. >From apathy to dependence;
8. >From dependence back into bondage'
It is my belief we are between #6 & #7 on our way back to the beginning. We expect Uncle sugar to provide us with all we need while giving up our rights because we no longer really want to work; just slop at the trough of what others have earned. Sad really."

I'm not buying it. If we are so apathetic, then why did we just have one of the largest voter turnouts in U.S. History (approx. 64 percent of the electorate)?

Geez, it is a time to finally be hopeful, and all of you are being so darn fatalistic.

-ibvirginia

Because we are adding on warm fluffy things like, redistribution of wealth, universal health care, inequitable taxation and more government programs. That moves the population further toward dependence. That and there was a very high protest vote which always happens when someone is perceived to have screwed up royally.

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superstar - member
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We have always redistributed a certain amount of wealth in this country. That is what taxation is, by definition. Inequitable taxation is what we have had for the last eight years.

Of course it was a protest vote, but it was still the largest voter turnout, and we have had many protest votes before.

I remember being very disappointed in 2000, but I sucked it up and gave W a chance. He failed miserably, but I gave him a chance. I wish the right would do the same with Obama. It's not like things are going great now for heaven's sake.

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The left wing loons skewered GWB at every opportunity.  Oh and the left wing press was right in there, too.  Politics are so nasty these days only a person with alligator hide can stand to run.  In my 65 years, I do not recall anything this dirty.  But then I've never lived in Chicago.
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The left wing loons skewered GWB at every opportunity. Oh and the left wing press was right in there, too. Politics are so nasty these days only a person with alligator hide can stand to run. In my 65 years, I do not recall anything this dirty. But then I've never lived in Chicago.

-ed-evans

Guess you refer to the NATIONAL elections. From my vantage point, this LOCAL election was one of slander, deceit,racial degredation, impropriety, misdirection and disinformation. And thats from the WINNERS of the elections.....

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