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Council can change mission or policy anytime it chooses to do so in relation to county government operations in accordance with state law. Even departments required by state law can have the size (number of personnel) and structure changed as long as it still has the ability to provide the end function the state requires. Eliminatimng a department (not required by state law) can be done at any time.

If you have a cite that states otherwise please give it.

 

-nomadron



I think everyone should read and retain the following:

Local Governments and Home Rule in South Carolina: A Citizens Guide
http://www.strom.clemson.edu/publications/ulbrich/home_rule.pdf

Page 16 in that guide ...
"Constitutionally required officers, such as the auditor, treasurer, and sheriff,
limits are chosen in countywide elections. Although the county must provide
operating funds and facilities for these officials, county government has no
authority over them
."

As I said before, there are certain functions for which the county can not change the mission or policy of a given department, as state law trumps the will of the local county council.

It's a solid read from the folks at The Strom Thurmond Institute.


- SSHM
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SSHM no one has said anything about a constitutionally required elected official or their staff. It is a given that neither County Council or the Administrator can interfere with an elected official. However I will again state, for the overwhelming number of county departments and vast majority of county employees not directly under one of the constitutionally required elected offices (those listed on the upper right of the county organizational chart)...(this applies to all of those listed below the Administrator on the organizational chart)...

 

Council can change mission or policy anytime it chooses to do so in relation to county government operations in accordance with state law. Even departments required by state law can have the size (number of personnel) and structure changed as long as it still has the ability to provide the end function the state requires. Eliminatimng a department (not required by state law) can be done at any time.

If you have a cite that states otherwise please give it.

 


-nomadron

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Art..

how is i possible that the new council could not retain the current staff? I am wondering what they are implying when they make comments that are vaguely threatening to county employees? Unless cindi has gotten the law changed, county council has no involvement in hiring and firing of employees, and to imply otherwise is borderline illegal.

Also, how is it possible that "they" can have any opinions? Surely "they" havent been talking to each other, now have "they"?

-palmetto-native

Palmetto Native,

Based on my best understanding, the Newly Elected Council members are very aware of the fact that the Administrator is in charge of hiring, managing, and dismissing county employees and officials. At the same time, they are keenly aware that a hostile environment is not conducive to retaining good employees. So, they hope that through a spirit of cooperation and positive communication, many good employees will be encouraged to stay and serve. Creating this new attitude will have to be achieved through building a better relation between the Council and the Administrator.

The New Elected Council members do have opinions, ideas, and passion for moving our community forward. They have not only been talking to each other, but they have also been gathering ideas and concerns from various groups in the county.

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Art don't you think both sides have responsibility for the hostility we have all witnessed? We have all heard the acrimony dripping form the lips of McAbee, Floyd & Thompson toward C Wilson as well as Waldrep & C Wilson's disdain for three of the members of the Council and Preston. It would be impossible lay the blame on the shoulders of one side or the other when both groups share responsibility. The beauty of this is that the problem is virtually gone come Jan. If you did speak to one of the in coming Council they would have told you that they did not agree with what was done the 18th of November as well. All over America governing bodies are deferring votes to allow the incoming candidates to make the decisions that effect the future. In Anderson our Council lack the grace and good sense to take such appropriate action. The incoming Council is unappreciative of the actions this Council is taking. It is anticipated the audit will show waste and excessive (lavish) spending. Under Cunningham we expect to see spending restrictions and level headed management. Simply disallowing liquor and having a set per diem will go far to cutting excessive spending. The Council will be providing leadership to the Administrator and he will work with the Council to achieve the goals of the Council as they consider their constituents wishes. I have not heard one person speak against Cunningham. People and the incoming Council simply question if the method that was used to hire him may have exceeded the authority of Council. The question is if the current Council had the authority to by pass the standard proceedures for employing the new Administrator. That action may be challenged simply to insure proper proceedures are followed.The new Council have excellent ideas and plan to use the tools that have been available for the past decade. The great hope of the general population is that we actually do move forward, cease to be the laughing stock of the state and begin to get industry that blend with our culture here for jobs.That's the news from the land of "woe be gone". 2009 hold great promise for the woe to be gone. &lt;g&gt;

-1-opinion

1-opinion,

There is enough blame to be shared by all sides concerning the hostile attitude which dominated the past council meetings. Ms. Cindy Wilson and Mr. Bob Waldrep asked many great questions, but they used less than diplomatic ways of communicating them. On the other hand, the other council members and the administration were less than willing to provide sufficient answers.

I am hopeful that the New Council and the New Administration Leadership will learn from the past. We need all legitimate questions answered. On the other hand, we need to encourage and demand civility and respect in all lines of communication. I am also hopeful that the New Council will not waste its time and energy on reigniting wars from the past. It is time to capitalize on our fresh start and move forward.

member
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If one reads the minutes ( or attended the last meeting in full)  andheard or read the "implied threats"  made by MCW, one would have to be a complete idiot to presume the firestorm of retaliation, harassment and bullying has ebbed. There has been an ongoing dispute for the chairmanship and the power of the Administrator's position for at least three years now. Of course there is no disparaging words against Mr. Cunningham...YET. He has yet to buck the missus. He has yet to make his own policies or positions without prior 'approval'. Unless Mr. Cunningham begins to cowtow to the Drivers'dolts, there surely will be backlash against him within months.

BUT, If there is somewhere positions need to be realigned or reduced, I'd suggest eliminating some council seats....or maybe start with those inside the Auditors/Assessors office, Hmmmm?Wink

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The New Elected Council members do have opinions, ideas, and passion for moving our community forward. They have not only been talking to each other, but they have also been gathering ideas and concerns from various groups in the county.

-art-kaldas

I can tell you from direct experience, these new fellas have YET to meet with anyone from our direct area in any capacity what-so-ever, including the return of phone messages or personal invitations. These invitations to meet with constituents in the area, in multiple venues and timeframes, has been extended long before and since the elections occurred, with little response or excuse.  Meantime, we still can count on the input and ( at the very least) the courtesy of returned phone calls, from current administration members.  I would presume from that lack of response that the new membership is exclusively concerned with wealthy contributors, glad-handing with future political aspirations and shoring up their retrograde agendas in advance. So far, unimpressed am I with the Council-elect.

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Wyatt, I know two of the three new folks, and I feel you are going to be very impressed with them over a little time.  They are reasonable men and will talk to all citizens of this county once in office. 

Ladies and gentlemen, why not just take a deep breath and give it a little time?  The three incoming new members are not loons.  They are business oriented and community oriented.  I do not see any of them coming in with "off with their head" agendas.  Michael Cunningham is a very fine man and has integrity, intelligence, and cares deeply for this county.   I feel that Joey Preston could have worked with them and the rest of council over time, but that was not what he chose.  And truthfully, if I were given an million dollar option to leave a difficult situation, I would cash that check so fast it would leave your head whirling!!   I did have some questions about the severance process chosen by the current council, but they are legally in their rights and may have saved the county money in the long run.  I view this as something similar to the Tommy Bowden buyout.  After a short while, things will settle down and life will go on.  Let's just hold off any firestorms and let the new council and new administrator see what they feel needs to be done.  I did not support Obama, either, but I do hope as a citizen that he succeeds.  Same with the new council - I hope they work well with all for our county's sake, and for the future of all of us.

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Queen, if you keep throwing logic and common sense into debates on this board, we're going to have to promote you to EMPRESS. Laughing
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Queenie dear,

I am really TRYING  my best to hope for positive in this, HONEST I am!  I've chalked a lot of it up to pre-holiday business, or catching up on the scheme of things and so forth. But the elections are way over, and for anyone to neglect your future constituents or not even return a call is simply poor time management. I related our direct experiences with two of the three members which we've openly, and often, asked to (1) attend the community meetings we hold each month, to discuss with RESIDENTS the issues and receive input from them; (2) invited to private meetings just to chat "off the record" as a meet & greet session NOT affiliated with political campaigning; (3) telephoned for responses to specific topics which will come up within their inplementation as council members, with no response; (4) invited to functions as fellow community members and representatives of their respective district, also with not even the courtesy of a return call to decline.   Maybe I am mistaken, but all that posturing and grandstanding at rallies, meetings and fundraisers about "being there when you call"  or "you can count on us for support"  was simply what is was....empty promises and a glimpse into the future of District 2/5 representation.  In my PERSONAL opinion ma'am.

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Wyatt, dear, in which district do you reside? Just wondering?  How can all three councilmen-elect be YOUR reps?  These folks are still PRIVATE citizens who have a life until January.  Till then, let them enjoy the holidays as much as possible.  And if you are at the meeting tomorrow nite, bet they will speak to you if you go up and say hello.  Just say hello.  You may be delighted to find they are human.  (Even if they are all Republicans!Laughing)

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Queen, In response to your inquiry, WE  are directly served by district 5, but we have a shared interest/district bound by District 3 on one street and district 2 on the other end.  

Oh, and we've extended our hand on more than one occassion to Tommy Dunn, and Mr. Moore  (last attempt was offering him a written invitation to our community dinner on the 11th, with a RSVP still not  returned....)  However, Councilmembers Floyd & Thompson have graciously responded promptly, along with Sheriff Crenshaw, Sheriff-elect Skipper and members of the Fire Departments invited.   Seems they could make time to return a call.

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Wyatt, dear, in which district do you reside? Just wondering? How can all three councilmen-elect be YOUR reps? These folks are still PRIVATE citizens who have a life until January. Till then, let them enjoy the holidays as much as possible. And if you are at the meeting tomorrow nite, bet they will speak to you if you go up and say hello. Just say hello. You may be delighted to find they are human. (Even if they are all Republicans![image]
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-the-queen



Perhpas his new Councilman went on Hankey's blog?
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Perhpas his new Councilman went on Hankey's blog?

-1-opinion

That IS the hot place for all in the know, ain't it?

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Mr. Greg Smith, Environmental Services Director of Anderson County, seems to have the right idea of how to establish a good- working relationship with the new council members.

Mr. Smith has invited the new incoming council members to spend a full day in touring the department facilities across Anderson County to observe its operation. The tour will include the following:

•All convenience and recycling centers, especially those scheduled for renovation.
•Starr C&D Landfill and Anderson Regional Landfill.
•The current Animal Shelter and the new planned site.
•All Waste Water and Storm Water treatment facilities.
•A time to explain all DHEC and EPA guidelines, which regulate Anderson County’s operations.

I hope all other departments’ directors will follow Mr. Greg Smith's example. In addition, I wish the offer for these types of tours will include an invitation to all interested officials and concerned residents.

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I believe if someone from a legitimate organization or group  asked for a tour of facilities, the county organization would be willing ( time permitting) to extend one.

If they don't accept the olive branch of friendship, then beat 'em with a switch from the tree of tolerance.

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That IS the hot place for all in the know, ain't it?


-wyatt1sc



No but it is where people show they might not be what Anderson community "leaders" should be made of. LOL
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The new council will have a huge job, trying to overcome all of the negative bs that happened this past summer, So Wyatt and all you guys give the new council a chance before you start busting their !@##*. Some of you people need to realize that the new council has not taken office yet and until they do they are not, I repeat not public officals. Give me a break!
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Well Noe, when you offer, as a citizen or as a fellow human, someone the opportunity to meet and speak to your friends and associates,someone who you had thrown support and allowed them the options to preach their speil during the elections, only to have them blatantly ignore you once they achieved their goal, what would one expect to be the reaction?  Elected or NOT, basic courtesy seems to be forgotten.  I use this baseline as a gauge to determine the level of response I will likely expect for our community once the paychecks start rolling in.   You make this out like I asked them for some special tax break or payoff or  something.  We asked each one for participation in future events, or a return call to discuss whatever....   When these men decide that those who stood outside polling places and touted their wares for them, who opened our community meetings to allow them a pulpit to be heard, who decided they should be next in line for the "throne", are important enuf to make a damn phone call to, may-beeeee I'll change my mind about their present course of action.

 Just because I turn the other cheek, doesn't mean I said kiss my ass.Innocent

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The new council will have a huge job, trying to overcome all of the negative bs that happened this past summer, So Wyatt and all you guys give the new council a chance before you start busting their !@##*. Some of you people need to realize that the new council has not taken office yet and until they do they are not, I repeat not public officals. Give me a break!

-noeline



Thus all their meetings okay allowing for a smooth transition and not some conspiracy like the prior Council members are guilty of by using the telephone to gain a majority consensus.  (not allowed) LOL You have to love this town.
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Wyatt as I remember it, you were against the council person for District 5 in the primary. I think there are several archived posts where you express your support for Michael Thompson. Is that not so?

Also as someone else pointed out, perhaps they have read some of the "colorfully worded" posts by you and others in your "movers and shakers" circle, and decided it is an association that may have too much baggage.   

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