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Anderson County Council Meeting (December 02)

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Based on Anderson County Council Agenda for December 02 meeting, the warfare which started during November 18 meeting will intensify. Among the topics are the following:

•New Town/Old Town Presentation by Ms. Gracie Floyd.
•An ordinance to amend Chapter 55 of the Anderson County Code of Ordinances pertaining to Personnel Policies and Procedure of Anderson County. The ordinance is introduced by Mr. Bill McAbee.
•Discussion of Section 2-362 of the Anderson County Code by Mr. Bob Waldrep.
•Discussion of section 3-366 of the Anderson County Code by Mr. Bob Waldrep.
•Discussion of the Authority of County Council to Employ the Administrator by Mr. Bob Waldrep.
•Questions regarding recent actions of County Council by Ms. Cindy Wilson.

Although the detailed information of each topic is not provided, it is clear that all of them revolve around the buyout of the Administrator’s contract. In addition, I do understand that a large group of officials and concerned residents plan to travel to Columbia for a talk with the Attorney General concerning the legality of the Council’s action.

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You'd think these bozo's would be HAPPY that they got their way, yet the bullshlit STILL goes on & on & on.  But No-o-o-o-o-o-o-o, gotta make this into yet another vendetta!    I suggest Mr.Preston line up the legal team now,  and SUE the crap outta each one of them till the coffers run dry, and continue reigning down lawsuit after lawsuit like nobody's business.   THEN, and only then, will these morons fueled by the Driver crowd shut the &$*@  up! Till then, somebody get MCW laid will ya?!?!  Jeez, our government in action.  No wonder the South lost.   

Don't bother with the Thumbs down, I'm working with the other fingers on this one.

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Wy, Too much trouble in the dark, hope u had a great holiday. call

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You'd think these bozo's would be HAPPY that they got their way, yet the bullshlit STILL goes on & on & on. But No-o-o-o-o-o-o-o, gotta make this into yet another vendetta! I suggest Mr.Preston line up the legal team now, and SUE the crap outta each one of them till the coffers run dry, and continue reigning down lawsuit after lawsuit like nobody's business. THEN, and only then, will these morons fueled by the Driver crowd shut the &$*@ up! Till then, somebody get MCW laid will ya?!?! Jeez, our government in action. No wonder the South lost.

Don't bother with the Thumbs down, I'm working with the other fingers on this one.


-wyatt1sc

 

A real classy post... NOT!

 

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Well, let's not repeat it again, shall we? Now the moderators may have to remove TWO posts. Sealed
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2 POSTS  GET A GRIP  Lets just quit posting.    JD guess u didn,t have enough children and have to make up for it. Sweet
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Confused, I've raised four children. At some point along the way, all four of them grew up. Obviously, that doesn't happen with all children.

For totally unmoderated chat, go to http://hankeysdamnyankeeway.lefora.com ... (There's that link for you again, Hankey.) There are limits even there, but for some reason WE are the ones with the reputation for running people off because we have a few standards. Go figure.

The goal for ATZ is to have a "lightly moderated" forum. Venomous, hostile posts of the type Wyatt is noted for make that a very difficult job - especially when we know that every time we try to issue a gentle warning (not a formal warning) to someone, members like you step in with asinine, juvenile comments.

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Waldrep had 2 of those articles on the agenda last time but Thompson was having issues and needed a drink so he ended the meeting after the sweet buyout and headed to Sullivans.

If this is all they have planned I wouldn't be too worried, it's what is not on the agenda that frightens me.

Any changes to ordinances can be undone next year if the changes are a continuation of the gang of shames, screw the county game. It's like watching the Borg, Preston has assimilated those five and they work for the collective. <g> Martin redirects when the Borg get lost. What will they all do after Christmas? No doubt they have discussed that too. Don't changes take 3 readings? I guess they plan on adding an extra session. JD how will they subvert the normal process and get a change passed in 2 sessions?

If they had one ounce of decency they would defer any action until the new Council is seated. This being Anderson we will not see such behavior this year.

Wyatt why would you push your own sexual frustrations off on C Wilson? LOL

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One op, funny as a bank bailout.

JD,  as usual you have not one bit of ability to accept sarcasm for what it is , Levitiy in the face of moronicide.  Your incessant snide attacks  on posters ( even besides dear WYATT) and backhanded attempts at making yourself so much above the rest of the world show what you represent to this forum, a far right winger gestapho behind a screen saver.  I will post what I view as the" left-winger" viewpoint. If you refuse or block or remove opposing viewpoints, you should write for the CSM instead of a local citizens forum.  I respond with a minority viewpoint, nonetheless a shared viewpoint spoken by those who don't bother with this site, who don't play the games played by those with fake screen names & work for the very county they vehemently oppose ( but have no problem getting that County paycheck or benefits).  Just because these dolts accept Rick Driver and his clones as the gospel does not mean every soul here does. If this is what passes for "standards" which are acceptable, it's no wonder the numbers posting here are fewer & fewer, including myself!

 I can also make similar snide commentary about you if I choose, regarding parantage, backgrounds or social status, with the undoubted removal by  the council of Trent once you send along the JD-denial of acceptance. I have played along with your "rules. regulation and capitulated to whims you deem worthy to participate in this Anderson forum, even though this does not belong to you exclusively.  Just by looking at other responders, I am not the only one here who thinks you get carried away with your own self-worth as King of the Tippet toilet.  As far as the Hankey site, that has turned into Straight Talk redeux.  Same posters with new names, same old topics, same lack of oppositional insight.  Without creative or "unpopular" discourse, exactly what IS a debate?   OH, it's JD's viewpoint/website, my bad. The only character on THIS site with any real information has been Art Kaldas, the rest is opinion only.

 

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Confused, I've raised four children. At some point along the way, all four of them grew up. Obviously, that doesn't happen with all children.
For totally unmoderated chat, go to [url] ... (There's that link for you again, Hankey.) There are limits even there, but for some reason WE are the ones with the reputation for running people off because we have a few standards. Go figure.
The goal for ATZ is to have a "lightly moderated" forum. Venomous, hostile posts of the type Wyatt is noted for make that a very difficult job - especially when we know that every time we try to issue a gentle warning (not a formal warning) to someone, members like you step in with asinine, juvenile comments.

-jdtippett

JD, Last time you gave that blog site I copied it and sent it to some people I thought would enjoy seeing what some of our "community leaders" were posting. Suffice it to say, jaws dropped and they were quite unimpressed. LOL

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JD, Last time you gave that blog site I copied it and sent it to some people I thought would enjoy seeing what some of our "community leaders" were posting. Suffice it to say, jaws dropped and they were quite unimpressed. LOL

-1-opinion

Hmmm, They must have been reading your responses then. Cuz surely you jest if you refer to US as community "leaders"!!!!

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Attempting to understand the position of the Newly Elected County Councilmen, I had a conversation with a reliable source, who shared the following information:

•During the Council meeting on November 18, the Newly Elected County Councilmen were astonished at the process of the Administrator’s contract buyout. It was clear to them that the process was well planned and coordinated.
•They do plan to conduct an audit, limited in scope. And they expect the audit to reveal some abuses and bad judgment, but no legal wrong doing. On the other hand, if legal wrong doing is discovered, proper action will be taken.
•They seem pleased with choosing Mr. Mike Cunningham as the new administrator, although they are not pleased with the process of his appointment.
•They plan, and hope, to retain all present county officials. They are optimistic that all present county officials will provide them with sufficient cooperation to assist them in achieving their goal of maintaining continuity in county government.
•They believe that Mr. Bob Waldrep and Ms. Cindy Wilson have asked many good questions, but in a toxic manner. So, they are committed to finding answers, but they will not support hostile attitudes toward county officials.
•They plan to closely examine the county budget, to ensure that all funds are properly allocated. They are particularly concerned over the high level of county debt.

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Art,

 Suffice it to say that the out going membership were well within their rights to "orchestrate" any Lame Duck plans, just as our President does with pardons. At least it shows those 5 members can and did work well with one another, and the toxic dissenters left have done little else but create two-steps-backward with each proposal, initiative or goal.  Of course the audit will turn up dirt, but who's going to be held accountable? As far as debt, wel-l-l-l paying for a audit ain't gonna save penny one.

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Wyatt 1 SC,

Although I admire the present council’s political courage in allowing Mr. Joey Preston to leave with honor and dignity after serving our county for twelve years, I also want to understand the other side’s point of view.

Conducting an audit is a promise which the new council members have made, and they are determined to fulfill their promise. However, I do sense that the new council members are also eager to move forward. So, if Ms. Cindy Wilson and Mr. Bob Waldrep insist on visiting and dwelling on the past, the new council will leave them behind with a repetition of a regular 5-2 vote.

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Art..

how is i possible that the new council could not retain the current staff? I am wondering what they are implying when they make comments that are vaguely threatening to county employees? Unless cindi has gotten the law changed, county council has no involvement in hiring and firing of employees, and to imply otherwise is borderline illegal.

Also, how is it possible that "they" can have any opinions? Surely "they" havent been talking to each other, now have "they"?

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Art don't you think both sides have responsibility for the hostility we have all witnessed? We have all heard the acrimony dripping form the lips of McAbee, Floyd & Thompson toward C Wilson as well as Waldrep & C Wilson's disdain for three of the members of the Council and Preston. It would be impossible lay the blame on the shoulders of one side or the other when both groups share responsibility.

The beauty of this is that the problem is virtually gone come Jan. If you did speak to one of the in coming Council they would have told you that they did not agree with what was done the 18th of November as well. All over America governing bodies are deferring votes to allow the incoming candidates to make the decisions that effect the future. In Anderson our Council lack the grace and good sense to take such appropriate action. The incoming Council is unappreciative of the actions this Council is taking.

It is anticipated the audit will show waste and excessive (lavish) spending. Under Cunningham we expect to see spending restrictions and level headed management. Simply disallowing liquor and having a set per diem will go far to cutting excessive spending. The Council will be providing leadership to the Administrator and he will work with the Council to achieve the goals of the Council as they consider their constituents wishes.

I have not heard one person speak against Cunningham. People and the incoming Council simply question if the method that was used to hire him may have exceeded the authority of Council. The question is if the current Council had the authority to by pass the standard proceedures for employing the new Administrator. That action may be challenged simply to insure proper proceedures are followed.

The new Council have excellent ideas and plan to use the tools that have been available for the past decade. The great hope of the general population is that we actually do move forward, cease to be the laughing stock of the state and begin to get industry that blend with our culture here for jobs.

That's the news from the land of "woe be gone". 2009 hold great promise for the woe to be gone. <g>



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PN I believe the council has the right to eliminate departments or change a department's mission thereby changing the number of employees needed. As the old adage goes, "Where there is a will, there is a way."

PN as private citizens "they" can talk all they want to talk. They can even meet as a group. Quorum laws do not apply because they have not been sworn in yet. This is not the case with the sworn sitting council members. (Or it is not legally the case.)

But I do not believe the incoming council either vaguely or clearly threatened county employees. It seems some are trying to muddy the waters before anyone can drink.  

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PN I believe the council has the right to eliminate departments or change a department's mission thereby changing the number of employees needed. As the old adage goes, "Where there is a will, there is a way."

-nomadron



... BUT ...

Some departments are mandated by State Law. Those departments (Planning comes to mind first) can not be eliminated. As for re-alignment and the changing of the mission, those activities would fall to the County Administrator, not Council.

Defunding and eliminating departments can only happen during the budget debates, as the County is almost halfway through the 08-09 budget year. The EARLIEST any sort of defunding/proposed elmination activities can occur is this coming summer. The new council could advise the various departments to limit spending and attempt to "bring as much money back to the table in June (09)."

Somehow, I don't see that happening either.


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As for re-alignment and the changing of the mission, those activities would fall to the County Administrator, not Council.

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Defunding and eliminating departments can only happen during the budget debates, as the County is almost halfway through the 08-09 budget year.
- SSHM

-sshm

Council can change mission or policy anytime it chooses to do so in relation to county government operations in accordance with state law. Even departments required by state law can have the size (number of personnel) and structure changed as long as it still has the ability to provide the end function the state requires. Eliminatimng a department (not required by state law) can be done at any time.

If you have a cite that states otherwise please give it.

 

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