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Freedom of religion also means feedom from religion.

-pjrnemtp

No it doesn't. It means you have a right to believe, or not to believe. Nowhere does the Constitution say non-believers have to be insulated and isolated from religion, nor does it say that believers have to be protected from the ideas of those who mock them. Short translation: You have a right to tell me God doesn't exist, and I have a right to tell you that He does. I don't have to believe what you say, and you don't have to believe what I say. How complicated is that?

The First Amendment has a lot of good stuff in it. Read the whole thing someday if you get a chance, especially the part about government intrusion on free speech.

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I must disagree with you JD. If freedom of religion is going to apply to everyone it requires a freedom from religion.  You do not truly have the freedom to practice your religious beliefs if you are also required to adhere to any of the religious beliefs or rules of other religions. Simply pointing out that people have the freedom to believe or not believe is not enough. Forcing people to accept some particular idea or adhere to behavioral standards from someone else’s religion means that their religious freedom is being infringed upon. Freedom from religion does not mean, as some mistakenly seem to claim, being free from seeing religion in society. No one has the right not to see churches, religious expression, and other examples of religious belief in our nation — and those who advocate freedom of religion do not claim otherwise.

What freedom from religion does mean, however, is the freedom from the rules and dogmas of other people’s religious beliefs so that we can be free to follow the demands of our own conscience, whether they take a religious form or not. Thus, we have both freedom of religion and freedom from religion because they are two sides of the same coin.

 BTW I have read the First Amendment as well as the entire Constitution of the United Sates. You would be hard to find anyone that believes more in the strict application (Jeffersonian) of it's precepts than myself.

 

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Ahhh ...

Reminds me of that old Vatican Rag.

First you get down on your knees,
Fiddle with your rosaries,
Bow your head with great respect,
And genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!

Do whatever steps you want, if
You have cleared them with the Pontiff.
Everybody say his own
Kyrie eleison,
Doin' the Vatican Rag.

Get in line in that processional,
Step into that small confessional,
There, the guy who's got religion'll
Tell you if your sin's original.
If it is, try playing it safer,
Drink the wine and chew the wafer,
Two, four, six, eight,
Time to transubstantiate!

So get down upon your knees,
Fiddle with your rosaries,
Bow your head with great respect,
And genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!

Make a cross on your abdomen,
When in Rome do like a Roman,
Ave Maria,
Gee it's good to see ya,
Gettin' ecstatic an'
Sorta dramatic an'
Doin' the Vatican Rag!


- SSHM
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Let it rest fool, the Catholic Church spoke and he has been advised to amend his statement so it is in line with The Church. Duh.
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I shoulda figured that you were a Tom Lehrer fan SSHM...
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I shoulda figured that you were a Tom Lehrer fan SSHM...

-palmetto-native



... as all good Catholics should be PN, as all good Catholics should be ... Wink
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Been poisoning any pigeons in the park lately, have you?
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I must disagree with you JD. If freedom of religion is going to apply to everyone it requires a freedom from religion.  You do not truly have the freedom to practice your religious beliefs if you are also required to adhere to any of the religious beliefs or rules of other religions. Simply pointing out that people have the freedom to believe or not believe is not enough. Forcing people to accept some particular idea or adhere to behavioral standards from someone else’s religion means that their religious freedom is being infringed upon. Freedom from religion does not mean, as some mistakenly seem to claim, being free from seeing religion in society. No one has the right not to see churches, religious expression, and other examples of religious belief in our nation — and those who advocate freedom of religion do not claim otherwise. What freedom from religion does mean, however, is the freedom from the rules and dogmas of other people’s religious beliefs so that we can be free to follow the demands of our own conscience, whether they take a religious form or not. Thus, we have both freedom of religion and freedom from religion because they are two sides of the same coin.
 BTW I have read the First Amendment as well as the entire Constitution of the United Sates. You would be hard to find anyone that believes more in the strict application (Jeffersonian) of it's precepts than myself.
 

-pjrnemtp


No what the Constitution grants the people is the right to attend the Church of their choice,any other house of worship, or none at all. Also it stops the government from encouraging any religion over another. It does not say that people cannot bring their personal beliefs into government, even their religious beliefs. This amendment was specifically addressed to the Church of England's official status in some of the colonies (mostly southern ones and the churches in new england who also held a monopoly.)

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