Big article in AIM today about Hartwell...only 300 days of water left until the intake pipes are high and dry.
Some say water woes now in God’s hands; 300 days of water use left in Hartwell Lake
I seem to remember some controversy when this subject came up a few months ago...now where was that...ah, yes, a letter to the editor from Juan Brown in December, 2007:
Georgia, South Carolina must work together on water
and another in June, 2008:
What are we waiting for?
We discussed the Juan Brown/Upstate Forever connection here:
Topic: 1.21 GIGAWATTS!
Juan Brown/Economic Development Board here:
Topic: McAbee's Economic Development appointees won't be
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Water
Maybe we could trade ethanol for water, since we will soon have a plant in Anderson County.
This topic should warrant some discussion but I don't know that we can do anything now. Rain seems to be the only answer. The drought is predicted to last until after April 2009. We have a lot of clouds some days. Any chance the clouds can be "seeded" to produce rain?
Hey: There's plenty of water in the two lakes above us.
Maybe we can borrow some from Oconee County.
Well I hate to say it because I live on Hartwell, but I HEARD that for every foot Clarks Hill drops Hartwell will have to drop three feet. Check out http://www.striperboard.com/. It's a fishing forum where most of the fishermen fish Hartwell. They have some good info on lake levels, and often have the people that run the show at their meetings. It's notlooking good anytime soon from what how I'm understanding it.
PS, if you guys check it out, please don't post on there, or at the least act better than we do here. Those guy just want to talk fishing and believe it or not do a LOT of work to make our lakes better.
Oh but Petunia that would not be politically correct. Jimmy Carter did away with cloud seeding during his presidency and it has not been revived--one of the reasons(in my understanding) as to why we've had more forceful hurricanes in the past 20-30 years. Now we can only pray that God sends rain. I'm not sure Obama will rescind that order if the past four Presidents after Carter haven't done so.
It's pretty bad when you hope 3 or 4 tropical storms will stall over your area. We missed out again this year. Now we all get to hope for a wet miserable winter and spring.
Oh but Petunia that would not be politically correct. Jimmy Carter did away with cloud seeding during his presidency and it has not been revived--one of the reasons(in my understanding) as to why we've had more forceful hurricanes in the past 20-30 years. Now we can only pray that God sends rain. I'm not sure Obama will rescind that order if the past four Presidents after Carter haven't done so.-merrymacsc
MM, I hadn't heard that.
I do know that "out west" (Salt Lake City and Denver) around airports they seed clouds with dry ice to deflect heavy accumulation on the runways.
Guess we need to ask our Native Americans about a rain dance. I think we should try anything and also at the same time put a plan into effect that will preclude this ever happening again.
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This drought, and many similar ones like this troubling states in the West & Midwest for the past decade alone, make me think we as a nation need to re-think our priorities. Former presidents Hoover & FDR enacted projects which proactively helped this nation( dams, TVA, Nydro-electric plants). Each year, the Mississippi floods over, right? Why is this fresh water supply not being harnessed, diverted and stored where it is needed? The Hoover dam stores & diverts water to much needed places in Nevada and California. Large plots of land in the midwest, no longer used for food, could be retasked as a man-made lake to hold vast quantities of water for summer use in farms & fields which no longer get sustainable rains. Enlarging existing lakes from Ohio to the Gulf (like Hartwell, which could be easily be dug out NOW while it is low and reenforce areas which need it) to hold more water once it does rain instead of releasing overages. Current trends show fewer sustained rains each year ( but there is no global warming folks) and droughts will be more widespread and longer in duration.
Water is a necessary part of life, not oil. Without water, humans will die. Imagine the costs of supplying water for everyday use. When we run out of water, what options will there be? Tanker trucks to flush toilets? No more sweet tea at Mama Penns?
" Water,Water everwhere yet not a drop to drink. " Well folks, don't you all think it's about time the people took a serious look at what is going on in our world? As Wyatt said, without water you perish, it just that simple, because everthing you eat or drink to substain life has to do with water. Now I am sure that our Goverment has already thought about the situation and have a plan to deal with the crissis when they deem it necessary ( if you believe this then you are a bigger fool than I am ). So as American citizens we had better start planning now or it will be too late for us and our children. We need to stop polluting the lakes and streams NOW. We need to clean up our envirament NOW. We need to secure our water sheds NOW. We need to save water NOW. We need to change our attitudes about things that effect us on this EARTH NOW. IF YOU THINK I AM KIDDING ABOUT THESE THINGS AND MORE, THEN JUST KEEP SITTING ON YOU BUTTS AND WAIT FOR IT TO HAPPEN, MAYBE NOT TO YOU BUT SURELY TO YOUR CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN.
"MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON US ALL "
As you last line is "May God have mercy on us all" perhaps you can do the simplest thing - Pray?
1-opinion-- I do that quiet a few times a day. 
1-opinion-- I do that quiet a few times a day.
And the forgotten part of this water issue is: What a lucrative target for eco-terrorism it has become. By selective targeting, an entire region could be forced to relocate or cease to be. ( say, that sounds like a terrific movie plot!)
I was hoping that the Corps of Engineers was going to lower the water release rate from Lake Hartwell a couple of days ago. Apparently not. 
Corps delays decision about decreasing water releases from Hartwell Lake
Corps delays decision about decreasing water releases from Hartwell Lake
Well, I guess the very mention of this on AndersonTalkZone was enough to prod them into action: 
Corps reduces Hartwell Lake, others’ water flow
Corps reduces Hartwell Lake, others’ water flow
I can tell you're joking about our talk here prodding the Corps of Engineers to do anything, Stringcheese. They're a lot like cats. They'll do what you ask them to do only if they were going to do it anyway.
yeah, just ask them to not remove dams on 12 mile river and see what they do
Don't get me started on that little fiasco, Nostra. But in fairness to the Army Corps of Engineers, I believe it's the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) that's driving that train (with significant help from DHEC and a small group of people who stand to profit personally from the process.) The Corps may be involved in the actual removal of the dams (I don't know that for sure because it's been while since I talked to Craig Zeller), but it's not their baby.
If you want to discuss the "brilliance" of the Army Corps of Engilneers, we could always talk about the Mississippi River, the Florida Everglades and kudzu, I guess. 
Don't get me started on that little fiasco, Nostra. But in fairness to the Army Corps of Engineers, I believe it's the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) that's driving that train (with significant help from DHEC and a small group of people who stand to profit personally from the process.) The Corps may be involved in the actual removal of the dams (I don't know that for sure because it's been while since I talked to Craig Zeller), but it's not their baby.
If you want to discuss the "brilliance" of the Army Corps of Engilneers, we could always talk about the Mississippi River, the Florida Everglades and kudzu, I guess. [image]
-jdtippett
Don't forget levies JD. They do a mean levy. Wasn't Kudzu brought in by Clemson as an anti erosion plant?
