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Art

Is the fact of the Personnel Committee dealing with the resignation letter an indicator of how the current council sees the issue?

-nomadron

Nomadron,

It is near impossible to know how the current council sees the issue. However, there seems to be some consensus among observers from the various political camps on the following understanding:

A healthy working relation between Mr. Joey Preston and the New Council is very unlikely. Consequently, the Present Council may have to make a decision before their term expires. Many believe that allowing Mr. Preston to resign with one year salary as severance pay would be a reasonable decision to make.

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Art I know you are reporting things as you see it or as you have been told. I have no problem with you and really appreciate your reports. Thank you!  

But, Art I don't understand a few things. Why the "Present Council may have to make a decision before their term expires" is one of them. I would think any alleged problems Mr. Preston may have is with the next Council. Shouldn't they be the ones to work out the problems?

Any county employee who works directly for an elected official may not have a "healthy working relation" with their next boss if their current boss is voted out. However, they will not know until the new person actually takes office. Using the standard some want, all the deputies, and auditor office employees that left when the incumbants were defeated last election should have been allowed to resign in advance, take a year's severance pay, on the chance they would not have a good working relation with the new boss?

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Art I know you are reporting things as you see it or as you have been told. I have no problem with you and really appreciate your reports. Thank you!

But, Art I don't understand a few things. Why the "Present Council may have to make a decision before their term expires" is one of them. I would think any alleged problems Mr. Preston may have is with the next Council. Shouldn't they be the ones to work out the problems?

Any county employee who works directly for an elected official may not have a "healthy working relation" with their next boss if their current boss is voted out. However, they will not know until the new person actually takes office. Using the standard some want, all the deputies, and auditor office employees that left when the incumbants were defeated last election should have been allowed to resign in advance, take a year's severance pay, on the chance they would not have a good working relation with the new boss?

-nomadron

Nomadron,

There is a great deal of truth to your statement. However, we need to consider the following points:

•The majority of the New Council have already made public statements which are less than friendly toward Mr. Joey Preston.
•The Administrator is the only one on county payroll with a contract which includes three years severance pay.
•The majority of the Present Council do believe that Mr. Joe Preston has performed well and honorably, and they do have the voters' mandate until December 31, 2008, to make decisions based on their best judgment.
•Allowing Mr. Preston’s contract to end with one year severance pay would be a compromise decision, which would save Anderson County from potential future legal battles, at a great cost to taxpayers.

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If Preston resigns there is no need to pay him a dime. The new Council is the one he thinks he might have an issue with so he should deal with them.  The personnel committee should spare themselves from looking stupid. Once Preston leaves he can do no more for them so the main concern should have is the best interest of the county. If not then two more can go in two years.
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It would also make it more difficult to keep him here to answer questions in the event there is actually an audit. Without a Grand Jury summons, he won't have to answer anything if his contract is released. Keep him on and let him learn to work with his new bosses.

The main issue is that the new Council seems to want an audit and he doesn't want that to happen while he is still working for the county. Why would you allow him the ability to leave, with severance pay under those circumstances? 

 

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It would also make it more difficult to keep him here to answer questions in the event there is actually an audit. Without a Grand Jury summons, he won't have to answer anything if his contract is released. Keep him on and let him learn to work with his new bosses.

The main issue is that the new Council seems to want an audit and he doesn't want that to happen while he is still working for the county. Why would you allow him the ability to leave, with severance pay under those circumstances?

-1-opinion

I don't recall that Preston has ever said he didn't want an audit. He has said it is unnecessary, and expensive. He has indicated that placing him on leave during any such sudit is a slam against his character. Placing him on leave (along with Ms. Humphreys) without a shadow of reason, other than the witch from Williamston unfounded allegations, is patently unfair. Buying him out is a fair and expediant way to resolve this situation. I say the current council has the authority and they should do their duty, not leave it to another council. Prolonging this farce isn't in the interests of the public.

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Thank you again Art for your information.

But if I may point out to those that give you information the following tidbits.

The new council members have no authority until they are sworn into office. Anything said before then has no force of law!

I think the June Primary established a mandate and demonstrated what the majority of voters within the council districts thought of three of the sitting council's judgement. Two of those that are leaving council make up two-thirds of the personnel committee. That doesn't give me warm feelings about what the lame duck majority might do.

 

 

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I don't recall that Preston has ever said he didn't want an audit. He has said it is unnecessary, and expensive. He has indicated that placing him on leave during any such sudit is a slam against his character. Placing him on leave (along with Ms. Humphreys) without a shadow of reason, other than the witch from Williamston unfounded allegations, is patently unfair. Buying him out is a fair and expediant way to resolve this situation. I say the current council has the authority and they should do their duty, not leave it to another council. Prolonging this farce isn't in the interests of the public.

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Censorship can't block out free speech !!!!! Let the blog roll!

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I don't recall that Preston has ever said he didn't want an audit. He has said it is unnecessary, and expensive. He has indicated that placing him on leave during any such sudit is a slam against his character. Placing him on leave (along with Ms. Humphreys) without a shadow of reason, other than the witch from Williamston unfounded allegations, is patently unfair. Buying him out is a fair and expediant way to resolve this situation. I say the current council has the authority and they should do their duty, not leave it to another council. Prolonging this farce isn't in the interests of the public.


-republikin



That is the least well presented arguement you have written of late. When you audit an account at a financial institution the employees are on "vacation". At many financial facilities the employee can not enter the building while their accounts are audited.

I am sure Preston said there is no need for an audit and it would be expensive. I am not saying he has done anything wrong but I can say I never met criminal that said, "yes, I did it". With money there should always be checks and balances. To date we have worked on Preston's word and a select group of accounts "audited" for accuracy. A complete audit is most appropriate. Buying him out is the most expedient way to give him money there is no reason to pay him and allow him to move to Charleston no longer available to answer questions in the event there are any. Good grief woman he works for the Council, they have the right to check his work and redefine how they want to proceed in the future. That is why three new members were elected; to make changes. Preston has shown it is he who does not want to suffer through greater accountability and over site. Putting him on paid leave is not "a slam against his character", it's standard procedure.

Think about it. If you were taking office in January would you want to have a full accounting in front of you and know exactly what has been done and what has not been  done or would you walk in and assume the responsibility for millions without knowing where the accounts stand? An audit serves several purposes; one is also finding waste and allowing to Administrator to cut the budgets responsibly.

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1-opinion I agree with your post 100%. However this post is to compliment you on your sig line. That is a great quote. Do you know who said it?
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That is the least well presented arguement you have written of late. When you audit an account at a financial institution the employees are on "vacation". At many financial facilities the employee can not enter the building while their accounts are audited.I am sure Preston said there is no need for an audit and it would be expensive. I am not saying he has done anything wrong but I can say I never met criminal that said, "yes, I did it". With money there should always be checks and balances. To date we have worked on Preston's word and a select group of accounts "audited" for accuracy. A complete audit is most appropriate. Buying him out is the most expedient way to give him money there is no reason to pay him and allow him to move to Charleston no longer available to answer questions in the event there are any. Good grief woman he works for the Council, they have the right to check his work and redefine how they want to proceed in the future. That is why three new members were elected; to make changes. Preston has shown it is he who does not want to suffer through greater accountability and over site. Putting him on paid leave is not "a slam against his character", it's standard procedure. Think about it. If you were taking office in January would you want to have a full accounting in front of you and know exactly what has been done and what has not been done or would you walk in and assume the responsibility for millions without knowing where the accounts stand? An audit serves several purposes; one is also finding waste and allowing to Administrator to cut the budgets responsibly.

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First, I could care less what your opinion of my arguments are. So save the critique.

You are mixing points. Most audits in the business world take place WITH the responsible executive on the job, in place and participating.

Second, an audit to find ways of cutting costs, save expenses, etc., is very different from a forensic audit.

In fact, the county has the same audit as nearly every other county in the state. Therefore, any "new type" of audit, such as "forensic" which expells the administrator and key financial executives (which implies criminal or lessor wrong-doing) is an affront to the Administrator. It's like guilty until proven innocent. That is not our justice system.

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In fact, the county has the same audit as nearly every other county in the state. Therefore, any "new type" of audit, such as "forensic" which expells the administrator and key financial executives (which implies criminal or lessor wrong-doing) is an affront to the Administrator. It's like guilty until proven innocent. That is not our justice system.


-republikin



This has nothing to do with our "justice system", it's about an audit and how the Council may choose to proceed.  Maybe being put on administrative leave simply implies they want someone to look over the books without any interference. It's just an audit. The public has said they want one. The new Council members campaigned on that promise so the matter can be set aside. It seems we have some new Council members who plan to keep that promise. Being placed on administrative leave is not being "expelled". It allows the auditors to have unrestricted access to the books and files without interference. It also allows for them to call Preston or Humphreys in if questions come up or documentation needs to be located. What if the Administrator is vindicated? Have you ever considered that as an outcome? Preston would have the approval of the new Council and they could move forward. Humphrys has no choice unless she resigns before the audit. Preston may have no choice either. That depends on the attorney hired to give his legal advice to the Council.

Again these vague references to other counties without any validation. Here is a link to Orangeberg's audit proposal - which they bid out for a 5 year period at a fixed rate.
http://www.orangeburgcounty.org/downloads/purchasedocs/IndependentAuditingServices%20_2_.pdf

when you see what the scope of the audit is I believe it's a bit different than what we have every year. Scroll to page 9 under 2 and read their audit requirements. Are those the audit requiements Anderson has? It has been stated certain accounts are given to the auditors to "audit" and those accounts are found to have no errors.

Here is Greenville's audit findings. Please note they had issues that needed to be addressed to bring them into compliance.
http://www.greenvillecounty.org/Finance_Division/pdf_financial_report_2007/single_audit_section.pdf

A little homework will show you what real audits can find problems and how far off counties get from what they should have done.






 
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Nomadron,

There is a great deal of truth to your statement. However, we need to consider the following points:

•The majority of the New Council have already made public statements which are less than friendly toward Mr. Joey Preston.
•The Administrator is the only one on county payroll with a contract which includes three years severance pay.
•The majority of the Present Council do believe that Mr. Joe Preston has performed well and honorably, and they do have the voters' mandate until December 31, 2008, to make decisions based on their best judgment.
•Allowing Mr. Preston’s contract to end with one year severance pay would be a compromise decision, which would save Anderson County from potential future legal battles, at a great cost to taxpayers.

-art-kaldas

AK,  You have brought some statements which make sense to some of us. Yet there remains strong resentment from the "right-wing" followers of Driver and associated drones which will never let go of the idea of the power which chairing Council represents to them. There is a core of folks which simply cannot forsee any future for anderson unless it involves dissention, anger and mistrust. There is no noticable cooperation or plans for a brighter future, just "get rid of Joey" sophmoric mentality. These council members are supported by a anger mob of simpletons who go with whatever is the popular theme of the day. Same folks who cursed our family in council and courthouse steps, who used swear words to express their feelings about us in lobby with our 11 yr old at our sides. Same folks who said Blue Laws were good business.Same folks who say that added taxes here & there are necessary {for their direct benefit} but show no reasoning or rhyme about those projects for the entirety of the community. Same folks who whine about re-assessment yet don't argue about the added value of their property when they get loans on them. I respond with the following observations which I am not alone in noticing:

 Yes, there IS positive support from outgoing council members, businesses and community membership. YES there is already pre-determined hatred from newly elected members which I present as bias and prejudice going forward. YES, I see this as a hinderence for the next council to proceed forward in a positive way when there already is a not-so-hidden adgenda on the panel. YES I forsee many a embattled council meeting in the coming months about this likely payoff to JP, funding of this audit during lean times and dispute over chairmanship. YES I see more bad feelings from businesses, enterprises, individuals and corporations who were courted to come here when council has such animosity in their politics.  YES I see an audit which will uncover more than was wanted to be known. YES there will undoubtedly be legal ramifications to follow such audit. YES there is already several Ethics violations and State-level meetings which will add fuel to the fires of who's really starting unnecessary troubles for this county, and sure to add to the financial woes of Anderson County..And YES I see the onslaught of negative {aka thumbs-down} commentary from the bloggers who simply hate such appraisals of what is plainto see & likely will happen being said in the open.

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1-opinion I agree with your post 100%. However this post is to compliment you on your sig line. That is a great quote. Do you know who said it?

-non-sequitur



I couldn't find who said it. I should add unknown.

Wyatt, once again you make the statement of Preston haters with no evidence the new Council feel that way.
http://www.independentmail.com/news/2008/aug/05/council-concensus-leave-audit-until-january/

Only found a reference to the intent of the new Council. Let the assistant administrator run the county while the audit is performed. As long as Humphries and Preston are on paid leave they are available to answer questions. I see peace at the end of this audit. One way or the other the questions will have been answered. You want Preston paid off during these lean times but don't want the audit? Don't pay Preston off and pay for the audit during lean times as an alternative. If Preston wants his day in court let him spend his own money suing. If he wins which is questionable. Would the Insurance Reserve Fund payout or Anderson county if he were to win? JD, Pappy or Art do you know the answer to that?

I spent the better part of the morning reading about other counties audits and how many total screw ups were found in audits. I also discovered that fewer counties have similar audits than was represented on this thread. Let's hope the IG never comes here and finds the grants messed up. OMB A-133 Yikes.

Now that the Sheriff has his money seperate, is that office responsible for thier own audit?
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According to my good friend, Mr. Yahoo Google, that quote originated with a fellow named David Keuck. I have no idea who he is, though.
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So notes and added to the signature. Thank you JD

International Editor at Beecken's is the man's most recent job

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So notes and added to the signature. Thank you JD

International Editor at Beecken's is the man's most recent job


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1-opinion I hope you don't mind, but I borrowed your quote and posted it on a thread on another forum after a torrent of "colorful language" by a poster there that used to post here. It seemed to be an appropiate 1st post for me there. Laughing

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Still post here, there and everywhere.

-wyatt1sc

Yes but here you can't stoop to the implied threat here that you did over there when I posted that quote!


Oh yeah, thank GAWD nobody here is smart enuf to decipher ISP addresses or know where they live/shop/work! Otherwise.....

-wyatt1sc

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Don't let it bug you too much, Ron. I've felt the love over there myself today, and I don't even post on Hankey's DYW. Wink

By the way, the link to Hankey's site is http://hankeysdamnyankeeway.lefora.com/headlines/ ... Give it a look. It'll save me having to explain the difference between a moderated forum and an unmoderated one and may even help explain why a couple of posters are banned here.

If you have any standards of decency at all, though, enter at your own risk. You've been forewarned. Laughing

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