You did write "Colin Powell endorsed Hussein Obama for one reason, they are both black. . ." ( my bold )
Your statement leaves little doubt that you believe race was the only reason, not one of several.
So you did say that any certain person ( Powell ) will vote for Obama because of race.
former cop,
You did write "Colin Powell endorsed Hussein Obama for one reason, they are both black. . ." ( my bold )
Your statement leaves little doubt that you believe race was the only reason, not one of several.
So you did say that any certain person ( Powell ) will vote for Obama because of race.
See how I asked a simple question and all of a sudden I've said this, and I've said that. The good thing about discussions here are they are in print and one can't come back later and say so and so said this. (Well as we see they can, it's just easy to prove them WRONG when they do.) It's all right here in this thread. Go back, clip and paste where I said any such thing Pappy. My how easy it is to point the "he's a racist" finger. This only means to cause doubt in real racism claims. Kinda like the boy who cried wolf huh. Although with this, some folks are eager to believe it. Pappy, you should be ashamed for such smears that are clearly false.
Mea culpa. I apologize and it was NOT your comments that I quoted. I was totally in error.
It was 'prevail' that I should have diected my comments to. I appreciate your anger and I deserve it.

So everyone is voting only on the issues, right? No black person his voting for Obama based on his color? No woman is voting for McCain because he chose Palin as a running mate. The opposite will also hold true. For anyone who thinks that won't happen, I guess you also believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy too.
After one of the debates a black woman said to me " How good Barack was and that he really showed up MCCLANE." Anyone see a bit of a slanted view. I couldn't express an opinion because I prefer my fiction from a book
*****I also have to say if moderators can go back and edit their posts, we all should be able to. Don't ya think?****
Pappy, are you a moderator? I have not slammed the mods here. I have not questioned their judgements in that role. I have not complained about any of their actions. However, for a moderator to tell such an out and out lie about me shows how deserving that individual is to be a mod. This may get me banned, but to sit back and allow someone to say I made racist comments REALLY rubs me the wrong way. I've spent the better part of my freaking life standing up for other individuals. I've made sacrifices for others most would never dream of doing. The thing is, it didn't matter to me one bit what the color of their skin was. I've put my life in others hands, and had theirs in mine. I didn't give a rats tail if they were white or black. I've lived in villages where I was the only white man around. I gave freely of my time and money and never asked for a damn thing back from them because I knew they had nothing to give. I didn't care what color their skin was. For you to come on here and say I have said such things causes me to believe you are the one who likes to generalize. You see, I hate racism. I don't care if it's against blacks, whites, yellow, or red. I also hate those who make false claims of racism. You see, as I've said, it takes away from those who truly do suffer from racism. As long as there are those who think all blacks are thugs and as long as there are those who think all whites are racist, we will never get past racism. The only way to get past this is to make damn sure before you point a finger at the "black thug", or the "white racist". You should do the only thing honorable at this point and drop your role as moderator. If your judgement and recollection of who said what, is no better than that, you sure don't need to be filling a "judges" role.
That was Prevail, dude.
-scratchy
You are absolutely right !

Pappy, are you a moderator? I have not slammed the mods here. I have not questioned their judgements in that role. I have not complained about any of their actions. However, for a moderator to tell such an out and out lie about me shows how deserving that individual is to be a mod. This may get me banned, but to sit back and allow someone to say I made racist comments REALLY rubs me the wrong way. I've spent the better part of my freaking life standing up for other individuals. I've made sacrifices for others most would never dream of doing. The thing is, it didn't matter to me one bit what the color of their skin was. I've put my life in others hands, and had theirs in mine. I didn't give a rats tail if they were white or black. I've lived in villages where I was the only white man around. I gave freely of my time and money and never asked for a damn thing back from them because I knew they had nothing to give. I didn't care what color their skin was. For you to come on here and say I have said such things causes me to believe you are the one who likes to generalize. You see, I hate racism. I don't care if it's against blacks, whites, yellow, or red. I also hate those who make false claims of racism. You see, as I've said, it takes away from those who truly do suffer from racism. As long as there are those who think all blacks are thugs and as long as there are those who think all whites are racist, we will never get past racism. The only way to get past this is to make damn sure before you point a finger at the "black thug", or the "white racist". You should do the only thing honorable at this point and drop your role as moderator. If your judgement and recollection of who said what, is no better than that, you sure don't need to be filling a "judges" role.
-former-cop
Yes I am a moderator and I take that job seriously. No, I won't resign because my error was made as a blogger, not as a moderator.
I don't know what more I can say. It was a bad mistake but it was a mistake.
I erred, that is only human. If you are truly tolerant, how about a little forgiveness ?
Yes I am a moderator and I take that job seriously. No, I won't resign because my error was made as a blogger, not as a moderator.
I don't know what more I can say. It was a bad mistake but it was a mistake.
I erred, that is only human. If you are truly tolerant, how about a little forgiveness ?
Aren't you the one with this motto: If there is no love in your heart, then there is no hope for you. Ziggy Marley ?-pappy
I don`t recall you showing any forgiveness,or any tolerance when you banned all the people since you and your cohorts became moderators. And as far as showing love,I wonder if you even know the meaning of the word. What you are willing to dish out you will get back in some form in spades
Yes I am a moderator and I take that job seriously. No, I won't resign because my error was made as a blogger, not as a moderator.I don't know what more I can say. It was a bad mistake but it was a mistake.I erred, that is only human. If you are truly tolerant, how about a little forgiveness ?-pappy
Then maybe you should ban yourself for a personal attach Pappy.
Just because you have that shinny Moderator badge, does not give you the right to attack anyone.
Seems you think can just say you are sorry and think it is all better. Calling anyone a racist is a serious charge and I don't take that lightly.
Maybe you should think a little more before putting such a thing in print.
Yes, to err is human. As a cop in the real world I did a few times. However, as a mod, you are the "cop" of this forum. Your err was akin to "shooting an innocent person" in the cyber world. Not only did you fire at me before, but even after, I pointed out that I did not in fact say those things. In your case, which differs from a real cop in the real world, yours was not a "split second, life or death" decision. You had time to go back, read each post, and note who said what. Again, I had already pointed out that I had not siad such things and asked you to go back and read. You again "fired" at me. I would have fired back after the first shot, but JD's already switched my legs for that. You stated that err was made as a blogger, not a moderator. However, a mod should have good judgement, as well as eager to get the facts right. You failed at both. Had I not replied to you, and it not been in print, it would have gone down as fact that I made racist remarks. Also, one is not a part time mod, no more than one would be a part time cop. If I were off duty and showed such gross negligence by firing several shots at a bystander, even after having the time to take aim and make sure of my target, and then got on the stand and give false testimony, I would be both fired, and prosecuted. "To err is human" would hold as much weight as a cardboard drawbridge. Sure I'll forgive you. I don't want you banned from the forum. (which I would think you could be considering making proven false claims against another.) However, you do need to turn in your badge and gun. I know you wont though. Your pride is too big. You can fire the shots, but not suffer the consequences. You ask yourself, what are the characteristics of a good moderator. Then decide if you have displayed them. Don't answer me that question. Answer yourself. However, I will not live in a world with reckless police, be it in the real world, or the cyber world. Some things are worth fighting for, this one is not. It's all there for anyone to see. If you want to ride on your moderator high horse and fire aimlessly at the lowly peasants, then you go ahead. This is cyber world, if I don't like this one, there are others to go to. By the end of the day I will have forgotten all of this, and maybe my blood pressure will have gone back down, but you will still be holding a job, you know in your heart your not qualified for, only because your pride is bigger than your humility.
Maybe lifting the bans on the other boggers would ease the hurt.
Afterall you and JD banned them for FAR less than what you just did pappy.
My question is why is prevail allowed to make all the racist remarks,and post all the untruthful statements. A lot of other posters have been banned for a lot less than what prevail,and a couple of the moderators are allowed to do. There is such a thing as discrimination,and it is alive and well on the Anderson Talkzone.
Pappy made a mistake and has apologized for it. It is easy to get confused when reading on here sometimes. It wasnt a life or death mistake so maybe everyone should cut him a little slack. Ive been reading Pappys posts on here for a long time and he is generally very fair and the first to admit when he has made an error. Moderators just like anyone else are going to make mistakes, they are only human.
Former-cop, PAPPY made a mistake as a forum member regarding what you said, not as a moderator. If had been acting as a moderator and thought someone had crossed the line, there would have been a warning to the poster. You have every right to defend yourself here against false allegations by another forum member that are made here, which you did. PAPPY apologized. Why not accept that?
What you know (and PAPPY and a few others who were here yesterday afternoon) is that another poster put up a black-and-white video that was in poor taste at best, racially-tinged at worst, and that video was removed by one of the moderators (not JDTippett). The removal of that video left a gap in the threat of the conversation than you and others accidentally stepped into (the "Twilight Zone of racism" phrase you used in your post came from the removed post and was not created by you right out of the blue.) I'll ask Lefora if there's any way that, when a post is removed, the name of the poster can remain with an explanation that the content was removed, kind of like they do over on the AIM news site.
As for removing posts, to my knowledge, only a handful of posts have been removed. I believe all have been noted by the moderator who removed them except for the one yesterday. In the future - at least until Lefora gives us the feature I mentioned - if a moderator removes a post, he or she should note it within the thread that he or she has done so. That avoids a gap in the conversation that leads to misunderstandings like this one.
Now, for those "banned" posters (Voice of Reason, pay attention here, since you asked the question.)
Only one screen name - RINO - has ever been "banned" from either The Cocklebur or Anderson Talkzone. That one was banned before the current group of moderators was selected for menacing and personally threatening other members here. And even he still has other screen names he uses here to fan the flames - and his screen name continues to appear on the "recently online" members.
One other poster - a member of the original "Gang of Four" chose not to return under his original screen name.
No "ban" is permanent, but a continuation of the activities that led to the initial ban certainly don't help his cause. All it takes for a poster to be restored to full rights is that he or she agrees to behave.
As for the three from last weekend, I think the other moderators would agree with me on this one. If they re-join under the original screen names, they can certainly return here if they follow the rules. And among those rules is that they accept that Anderson Talkzone is a MODERATED forum.
In the future, no screen names will be "deleted." Offenders will receive a formal "warning" by an administrator or a moderator. Once that warning is sent, any administrator can "ban" that screen name for a chosen period of time. It could be a day, a week, or permanently. BUT FOR SUCH A BAN TO LAST MORE THAN A DAY, it will require the agreement of a majority of the panel of moderators. The action last weekend did have such a majority.
Voice of Reason, there is no "absolute power" here, and there is no "corruption." And "moderation" isn't about the individual moderators but about a process to maintain civility and fairness on this board. We will all make mistakes as we go forward - but the only "mistake" so far by the moderators has been in the failure to send out MORE warnings to various posters.
Mistakes by us as individuals may be numerous, because I'll point out again that it really is difficult to separate the "moderator" from the "forum member" functions - harder for y'all sometimes than it is for me.
But I and the other moderators will take the cheapshots aimed at us, personally - both those here and those on the other forum - without comment other than this one. Just as in the situation that led to this post, where PAPPY made a mistake as a FORUM MEMBER and made a false allegation against another member - the real world most of the time requires only an apology to allow everbody to move forward.
PAPPY has apologized. To the extend that anybody thinks I have made mistakes in moderation, I also apologize. But Anderson Talkzone remains a moderated forum, and everybody knows who the four moderators are. Attempts to undermine the concept of moderation - or to launch a war against either those moderators or any other forum member - will be dealt with appropriately.
Now, can we move forward for a change and not backwards?
I see that Pappy's prior post have been edited, long after the edit time ran out. Nothing like boldly stating something, and then using the admin powers to go back and edit it. If the statement was made as a "blogger" and not as a "moderator", then how could it be edited after the edit time frame for a "blogger"?
To help solve any confusion here. Pappy stated time and again that it was I who made the comments. Now his post have been edited to reflect who did make them. In effect, erasing his slanderous postings.
So Pappy, were the post made as a blogger, or as a moderator? You stated as a "blogger" before. If so, they need to show what was really said. I have to live with my words, are you different? Your character is again showing. I'm starting to notice a "CYA" course of business here. Does this not once again show at least a hint of dishonesty as well as abuse of powers? So, after showing poor judgement, improper attacks, inadequate recollection, failure to find simple facts by simply reading post, and abuse of power, are you now ready to step down as a moderator? I'll STILL bet not. But please tell me, just what would be enough for someone to step down, or be forced to resign?
Former-cop, please read my above post. I know, you know, PAPPY knows and now everybody knows that it was a mistake, not anything intentional. The moderators are all volunteers, by the way. Volunteers don't have to resign.
For what it's worth, ol' JDTippett the blogger made comments very much in line with what you said.
I've given the moderators a hard time too, but now even a B like me feels sorry for them. Hey, it's Sat I don't know about anyone else,but I'm about ready for a cold one(FC,have a corona on me) and a game. Anyone else? BTW, I took Tampa Bay on last- man- standing tomorrow, so could everyone pull for them --please.
Sorry JD, I was typing that last post at the same time you were. Like I've said, I've forgiven Pappy for the numerous comments and have never asked him to be banned. However, his role as moderator is what I have a problem with. I have no problem with him posting to his hearts content. However a moderator "judges" others that post here. They should be held to a higher standard, being it posting as a blogger, or as a moderator. It's still the same person. So you tell me JD, what could cause a moderator to step down? We that post here are reminded often what actions could cost us, now shed some light on rules of conduct for moderators.
I will let this go, as long as rules are applied even, and that should include not editing the very part where we throw rocks from a glass house.
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