You don't consider race based voting as a pretty good sized issue? That is what my post was in reference to. And that was what I asked several times while being fired at. In all that stink, I still have not seen anyone comment on the question. Am I to believe I'm the only one who feels raced based voting is both wrong, and a big issue here? I mean it "could" paly a hand in who our next president is. And I do mean both ways here. Anyway, give me a bigger issue and if I have an opinion on it, I'll post it, if not, I'll do as I usually do, just read the post and play "French", meaning watch the gunfire from the sidelines.
Former-cop, no one is going to admit to race base voting.
they might get labled racest!
Former-cop, of course race-based voting is wrong. Totally wrong. I mean, when you have almost 90 percent of the African-American population in the United States saying they're going to vote for Barack Obama, something just isn't right - unless, of course, it's POLITICALLY BASED (liberal versus conservative) and not RACE BASED.
Of course, all of us Republicans know we can't make the claim that our votes are based on politics and not on race. That excuse only works if you're a liberal Democrat.
As for playing "French" here, I have an old FAMAS from the French Army I'll sell you really cheap. Never been fired, only been dropped once, and comes with its own built-in white flag that can double as a field dressing if you don't drop it quickly enough. 
Colin didn't have a problem doing it. For the rest, I guess courage seems to be a thing of the past. As for being racist, my top pick would be Mr. Rice. Although that would kinda cover me on race and sex, neither are my reasons for picking her. Too bad she's not an option.
JD personal attacks on the french are not premisable. being that they are unable to defend themselves.
I'd vote for Condi Rice in a heartbeat, regardless of her race or gender, because she's a CONSERVATIVE. Wonder if Barack Obama would vote for her if given the chance? If he refused, would he be RACIST, or SEXIST? I mean, he didn't support Hillary either, you know, so my guess is "sexist."
By the way, I'm confused here. I noticed your reference to Colin Powell there, and then your signature referencing Ziggy Marley (son of the late, great Bob Marley.) That got me to thinking, and just as when Mr. Hankey starts thinking, that's a dangerous thing.
Colin Powell traces his roots back to Jamaica, just like the Marleys. Now, were those ancestors considered African-Jamaicans? And if so, and you move it forward a generation or three, wouldn't descendants of African-Jamaicans who become American citizens be called "Jamaican-Americans" and not necessarily "African-Americans?"
So, what would you call Powell, besides General and Mr. Secretary? I get so confused sometimes.
Hankey, good point about the French. But my mother is French, and I'm descended from a long line she once fell for, so I can get by with it here. (Verbal attacks on Bob or Ziggy Marley, however, will be considered BLASPHEMY and may draw sudden hits from a lightning bolt, or hits from a bong, whichever comes first.) 
So where is your answer to your opening question/s genius?
Just because you didn't name me doesn't mean you weren't talking about me!
So I guess 'poo boy' thinks that if anyone is checking-out his forum and comes across a post that is talking about him that is now known as stalking. That interpretation, by a forum founder, is worse than any I've ever heard on this MB from a moderator!
in case you didn't notice you fools, the real stalker here is Srcatchy. (that's his current username on this MB)
See you on 'The Darkside' soon ...
-citizen1
My friend, could you please explain to me and the rest of the posters here why you believe that I am a "stalker" and why? If I really wanted to, I suppose I could accuse you of the same, as well as offer proof. If you're going to say it's because I used your initials, then that would make you quite the hypocrite, wouldn't it? I mean after all, you have been using mine for quite some time now although you never saw anyone call me that.
Or we can at least make sort of attempt to be civil with one another. I have no problem with that. Provided you stop using my real name, of course. I'll stop when you do. Take care, brother.
I'll make an attempt to answer your question Former-Cop. Obviously my answer is "race should NOT be a factor at all", otherwise, I'd be like most others and not provide an answer. But...I do beleive that it IS a factor and will play a major role in Obama's victory in 2 weeks. I beleive that he could win it even if Black America didn't vote for him based on his color, but the fact is, most are and it is giving him a big cushion come election day. I base that statement on things I have heard straight from voters mouths on News Programs and News Articles. I actually heard numerous grown adults say to reporters on TV that they are voting for Obama just because he is black. Can you be much more racists than that?
OK, I've got a question for anyone that wants to answer. No right or wrong, just your opinion.
Do you beleive that there are White men and women that will vote for Obama just because he is black? If so, why? Do they feel somewhat guilty for even considering not voting for the black candidate? Do they feel pressured by society to vote for Obama because he is black?
Sorry, but I have one more question to ask and it is not related to race/color.
Has anyone thought that the media may be portraying these early-polls incorrectly, just like they did in 2004? If I recall correctly, the Exit-Polls just before the election showed Kerry winning by a huge margin. And of course we know how that turned out. They (the media) said that the exit-polls have always been right when electing a President. My opinion...media bias.
I'll make an attempt to answer your question Former-Cop. Obviously my answer is "race should NOT be a factor at all", otherwise, I'd be like most others and not provide an answer. But...I do beleive that it IS a factor and will play a major role in Obama's victory in 2 weeks. I beleive that he could win it even if Black America didn't vote for him based on his color, but the fact is, most are and it is giving him a big cushion come election day. I base that statement on things I have heard straight from voters mouths on News Programs and News Articles. I actually heard numerous grown adults say to reporters on TV that they are voting for Obama just because he is black. Can you be much more racists than that?
OK, I've got a question for anyone that wants to answer. No right or wrong, just your opinion.
Do you beleive that there are White men and women that will vote for Obama just because he is black? If so, why? Do they feel somewhat guilty for even considering not voting for the black candidate? Do they feel pressured by society to vote for Obama because he is black?
Sorry, but I have one more question to ask and it is not related to race/color.
Has anyone thought that the media may be portraying these early-polls incorrectly, just like they did in 2004? If I recall correctly, the Exit-Polls just before the election showed Kerry winning by a huge margin. And of course we know how that turned out. They (the media) said that the exit-polls have always been right when electing a President. My opinion...media bias.
-tech-support
I do believe that there are many Caucasians that will be voting for Barack because of his skin color. White people are more obsessed with the "equality" issue than black people are and they believe that electing an African American into this country's highest political office will somehow undo or makeup for all the wrongs done to them so long ago. When he is elected, it will be one of the most historic moments in this country's history and even if he doesn't win, he's already come closer than any other black American. People want to see something big happen. If McCain wins, it's no big deal. Just another rich white man running the show. If Obama wins, all hell will break loose (media wise, not literally). He will be a legend. There can only be one first black president, and people want to see it in their lifetime, black or white. This is in no way an endorsement for Obama. I will be voting for McCain.
I think the media is right this time. I don't believe he's the Anti-Christ like some do, but I think he will be dangerous, and I do honestly believe that he IS going to win this election. I'm just thankful that it won't be because of my state.
AHHH, there we go, good discussion on the subject. I tend to agree with all three post here. This had started out as a prime example of things I see. To even ask a question, without even giving an opinion, can often be considered racist, or sexist. One of the best things I carried away from my military times was the ability to work with, play with, and live with folks from all over this wonderful country of ours. (Even some from other countries) You tend to build bonds when trusting someone with your life. Even those you may not share a lot in common with. From what I saw, others may have seen different,race was often not even noticed. A new squad memeber, new room mate, or new "swoop" partner was never looked at as white, black, or what have you. At time discussions of race would come up. I never had a fear to ask a question, nor give an opinion. It's just not like this in the civilian world. That's a shame too. These discussions we had brought understanding to all sides. In my opinion, understanding from all sides is the only thing that will ever make the subject of race something most seldom ever notice. AAHHH the good ol military days.
Since this thread has entered 'The Twilght Zone Of Racism' ...
Is discussing race racism?
If so, that proves my point.
Good question, former-cop. Exactly what is racists about this thread? Does anyone else feel the same as Citizen1? If so, then I'd love to hear your viewpoint, as well as Citizens.
"Can Sarah Palin flirt her way to the top?"
Would this be considered a sexist question? Inquiring minds wanna know.
I would say that it is sexist, or at least considered sexist by someone looking to be offended. Otherwise, it's just a question.
But to answer that question with another question, who could she flirt with at this point for personal/political gain?
I saw on FOX News today a live scene from some city in Florida. The line for early voting at this particular place was about a half mile long, three hours wait to vote. From what the camera showed it was about 99.9% black in line with a white here and there. ACORN is doing their job for sure. I would bet that about 90% of todays voters will be in line again tomorrow.
Yes, this race is filled with race. Colin Powell endorsed Hussein Obama for one reason: they are both black. Ignore reality all you want to but race is a factor. Truth be known, Obama will receive at least 98% of the black vote. If McCain received 98% of the white vote the news media would be screaming racist racist racist, all white people are racist. Right?
"But to answer that question with another question, who could she flirt with at this point for personal/political gain?"
Is it sexist to say if she flirted with me I'd give her my house? It wouldn't take much more than a wink either.
I saw on FOX News today a live scene from some city in Florida. The line for early voting at this particular place was about a half mile long, three hours wait to vote. From what the camera showed it was about 99.9% black in line with a white here and there. ACORN is doing their job for sure. I would bet that about 90% of todays voters will be in line again tomorrow.
Yes, this race is filled with race. Colin Powell endorsed Hussein Obama for one reason: they are both black. Ignore reality all you want to but race is a factor. Truth be known, Obama will receive at least 98% of the black vote. If McCain received 98% of the white vote the news media would be screaming racist racist racist, all white people are racist. Right?
-prevail
prevail,
To be fair about it,under your supposition, I suppose you would say that Lieberman endorced McCain because he also is a Caucasian.
I guess any Caucasian voter voting for McCain reflects the race factor as much as any African Americans voting for Obama.
Personally I hate generalizations. Give the American voter credit for more intelligence.
Things like economic policies, foreign affair approaches, solutions for health care, tax reform, the environment,oil dependency and a candidate's demeanor and temperment are much more important than skin color when voters make a decision.
Using your formulae how do you explain Republicans such as Chris Buckley, Bill Weld, a former Republican Governor of Minnesota, and Chris Hitchens crossing over and voting for Obama ?
"Truth be known, Obama will receive at least 98% of the black vote."
He's polling at 90-95%. That's because about 90% of black voters are DEMOCRATS. Kerry, Gore, and Clinton all got about 90% of the black vote.
Pappy, please post what I have said to lead you to believe I feel that way, or where my "supposition" says anything even close to that.
I would have never questioned why Colin is voting for Obama had HE not stated that race was not a "dominant" factor. I, in fact have said time and time again that it should be no factor at all, not only not a dominant factor, but NO factor. However, it seems that people are missing my point.
Race, be it the same as yours, or different than yours, should NOT, never, ever, never be given any consideration what-so-ever in deciding who to vote for, or against. EVER!
Now is that plain? I also have NOT said that any certain person will vote for Obama, or McCain because of race, UNLESS that certain person makes a statement which leads me to believe otherwise. Mr. Powell DID make a statement that leads me to believe that race was a factor in his decision. (Even if not the "dominate" one.)That is what I have the problem with. I have never stated on here that I felt like so and so will vote for so and so for any reason. If you show me where Lieberman, or anyone, made a comment that leads me to believe race was a factor at all in who he voted for I'd condemn him as well. Even if it's an anti Obama statement. I'm as anti Obama as anyone, however I do not use race as a factor in that, and would not support anyone who did.
Pappy, I really am at a loss for words to make it any clearer.
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