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OBAMA'S TROUBLING INTERNET FUND RAISING

Certainly the most interesting and potentially devastating phone call I have received during this election cycle came this week from one of the Obama's campaign internet geeks. These are the staffers who devised Obama's internet fund raising campaign which raised in the neighborhood of $200 million so far. That is more then twice the total funds raised by any candidate in history - and this was all from the internet campaign.

What I learned from this insider was shocking but I guess we shouldn't be surprised that when it comes to fund raising there simply are no rules that can't be broken and no ethics that prevail.

Obama's internet campaign started out innocently enough with basic e-mail networking , lists saved from previous party campaigns and from supporters who visited any of the Obama campaign web sites.

Small contributions came in from these sources and the internet campaign staff were more than pleased by the results.

Then, about two months into the campaign the daily contribution intake multiplied. Where was it coming from? One of the web site security monitors began to notice the bulk of the contributions were clearly coming in from overseas internet service providers and at the rate and frequency of transmission it was clear these donations were 'programmed' by a very sophisticated user.

While the security people were not able to track most of the sources due to firewalls and other blocking devices put on these contributions they were able to collate the number of contributions that were coming in seemingly from individuals but the funds were from only a few credit card accounts and bank electronic funds transfers. The internet service providers (ISP) they were able to trace were from Saudi Arabia , Iran , and other Middle Eastern countries. One of the banks used for fund transfers was also located in Saudi Arabia .

Another concentrated group of donations was traced to a Chinese ISP with a similar pattern of limited credit card charges.

It became clear that these donations were very likely coming from sources other than American voters. This was discussed at length within the campaign and the decision was made that none of these donations violated campaign financing laws.

It was also decided that it was not the responsibility of the campaign to audit these millions of contributions as to the actual source (specific credit card number or bank transfer account numbers) to insure that none of these internet contributors exceeded the legal maximum donation on a cumulative basis of many small donations. They also found the record keeping was not complete enough to do it anyway.

This is a shocking revelation.

We have been concerned about the legality of 'bundling' contributions after the recent exposure of illegal bundlers but now it appears we may have an even greater problem.

I guess we should have been somewhat suspicious when the numbers started to come out. We were told (no proof offered) that the Obama internet contributions were from $10.00 to $25.00 or so.

If the $200,000,000 is right, and the average contribution was $15.00, that would mean over 13 million individuals made contributions? That would also be 13 million contributions would need to be processed. How did all that happen?

I believe the Obama campaign's internet fund raising needs a serious, in depth investigation and audit. It also appears the whole question of internet fund raising needs investigation by the legislature and perhaps new laws to insure it complies not only with the letter of these laws but the spirit as well.

This was posted from a blog form an old school friend of Mr. Hankey.
Mr. Hankey don't know if he really wrote it of not. but Mr. Hankey is sure some geek with a serch engin can find out if he did or not. But Mr. Hankey don't give a toss because this is somthing Mr. Hankey had been thinking about for some time.

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ERRRP... wrong again poo brain. Can't you read "FALSE"?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/donations.asp

go to jail... do not pass go. do not collect 200 dollars.

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well alfred agin another geek thinks that snoops is the be all end all.

but I sure knew that a geek like you would dig for it.

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Hank,

That was attributed to Maureen Dowd. She did not write it.

The only one contributions to Obama  trouble is McCain !
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Hey, guys, "Snopes" this one. From Newsweek's Michael Isikoff (not a big supporter of Republican causes) in the October 4 issue of that mag:

Obama's 'Good Will' Hunting

The Obama campaign has shattered all fund-raising records, raking in $458 million so far, with about half the bounty coming from donors who contribute $200 or less. Aides say that's an illustration of a truly democratic campaign. To critics, though, it can be an invitation for fraud and illegal foreign cash because donors giving individual sums of $200 or less don't have to be publicly reported. Consider the cases of Obama donors "Doodad Pro" of Nunda, N.Y., who gave $17,130, and "Good Will" of Austin, Texas, who gave more than $11,000—both in excess of the $2,300-per-person federal limit. In two recent letters to the Obama campaign, Federal Election Commission auditors flagged those (and other) donors and informed the campaign that the sums had to be returned. Neither name had ever been publicly reported because both individuals made online donations in $10 and $25 increments. "Good Will" listed his employer as "Loving" and his occupation as "You," while supplying as his address 1015 Norwood Park Boulevard, which is shared by the Austin nonprofit Goodwill Industries. Suzanha Burmeister, marketing director for Goodwill, said the group had "no clue" who the donor was. She added, however, that the group had received five puzzling thank-you letters from the Obama campaign this year, prompting it to send the campaign an e-mail in September pointing out the apparent fraudulent use of its name.

"Doodad Pro" listed no occupation or employer; the contributor's listed address is shared by Lloyd and Lynn's Liquor Store in Nunda. "I have never heard of such an individual," says Diane Beardsley, who works at the store and is the mother of one of the owners. "Nobody at this store has that much money to contribute." (She added that a Doodad's Boutique, located next door, had closed a year ago, before the donations were made.)

Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt said the campaign has no idea who the individuals are and has returned all the donations, using the credit-card numbers they gave to the campaign. (In a similar case earlier this year, the campaign returned $33,000 to two Palestinian brothers in the Gaza Strip who had bought T shirts in bulk from the campaign's online store. They had listed their address as "Ga.," which the campaign took to mean Georgia rather than Gaza.) "While no organization is completely protected from Internet fraud, we will continue to review our fund-raising procedures," LaBolt said. Some critics say the campaign hasn't done enough. This summer, watchdog groups asked both campaigns to share more information about its small donors. The McCain campaign agreed; the Obama campaign did not. "They could've done themselves a service" by heeding the suggestions, said Massie Ritsch of the Center for Responsive Politics.

 

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True or not, he's getting a butt-load of money from somewhere. 

"My Opinion" - It would not surprise me at all if a considerable amount of those contributions are coming from a Middle Eastern Country.  They would want nothing more than to have Obama win this election.  A Democratic win would mean a weaker country militarily, which is good news for the Middle East.  Haven't we all heard that leaders of some Middles Eastern Countries are supporting (however that may be) Obama and even Kerry in 2004?  Why would they even care?  Because it would make us weaker and them stronger.  Why would they want us to be a successful country and retain our souveriegnty?  In "my opinion", they don't.

 

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Hank,

What troubles me as a moderator is your propensity for copying other peoples' words without noting who wrote them or what source you used. Certainly 'a blog from an old friend' is insufficient.

In your topic 'I can't believe it's not earned' you did the same thing. There a picture tells the reader nothing as to the source of the words.

Please reference your words if they are not your own,

Thankyou.
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Excerpts from:  FIGHT THE SMEARS  (Barack Obama Site)
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/

Hi everyone!

Email smears have been going around lately posing as legitimate information about Barack Obama’s personal and campaign finances, but they’re really designed to manipulate and mislead people who aren’t very familiar with Barack.

Barack was the only major presidential candidate this year to completely reject contributions from the Washington lobbyists and special interest PACs that have dominated our politics for years. Instead, this campaign has been owned by the more than 2.5 million everyday Americans who have donated in small amounts.

The paranoid insinuations that sometimes surface about Barack and Michelle’s personal finances are also off-base, since the Obamas paid for their education the same way millions of other Americans do -- with student loans they just recently repaid.

Get more details and help spread the truth about this shameful attack:
http://my.barackobama.com/financetruth

The independent fact-check site Snopes.com found that these smears are definitively “false”:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/money.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/donations.asp

Together we can make sure these negative and divisive attacks don't affect this election.

The Obama campaign has complied fully with federal election law, including donor eligibility and contribution disclosure requirements. Any donation that has not met federal requirements, the campaign has fully-refunded.

But false and deceptive email rumors posing as a “column” by respected New York Times writer Maureen Dowd or as independent “research” by a concerned citizen are spreading cynical misinformation about Barack’s alleged foreign ties.

 These smear attacks use fake information and false claims of credibility to scare people who aren’t very familiar with Barack by making it sound like he’s doing something un-American or illegal.

The independent fact-check site Snopes.com determined that both the Maureen Dowd and research smears are definitively “false.

Snopes.com found that the research smear “combines a good deal of supposition and some elaborate conspiracy theory” to support its lies. And Snopes.com said of the fake Maureen Dowd smear, “aside from the article’s bogus attribution, the facts it posits about contributions to the Obama campaign are wrong.”

Some versions of these smears also take on the Obamas’ personal lives, making paranoid insinuations about how they paid for their educations (truth: student loans, just like millions of Americans) or where their friends were born (truth: Valerie Jarrett was born in Iran while her American-born parents were helping set up a hospital for the pro-American Iranian government at the time).

These smears are circulating all over the Internet.

Fight back with the Truth:  make sure anyone who has seen this smear also sees this page.

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For those that are truly interested in facts and not simple b/s rumors and speculation (like this topics opening post) you will find that 'ALL' Presidential Campaign financial contributions can be found on this site.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.php
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Take a look at McCain's  'OTHER'   contributions. (as opposed to Obama's)

THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE!

Where is McCain's 'BIG MONEY' coming from? (rolleyes)

Perhaps 'this is why' McCain is pointing fingers at Obama in order to  'take the financial attention'  away from himself?

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00006424

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I have no idea where McCain's "big money" is coming from, but it ain't coming from unions.

Hey, Citizen1, you wouldn't happen to have a website that clears the air over a few things that have been reported, such as the following:

1. John McCain is too old to be President of the United States. I went to the AARP site - you know, that's the group that lobbies for retirees - and THEY noted that turning 65 doesn't automatically render anybody incapable of handling complex tasks. In fact, one of their newsletters a year or two ago noted that many major corporations love to  hire retirees because of the lifetime of experience and wisdom they bring to the job, as opposed to wannabe bosses in, say, their mid-40s who THINK they know everything but in reality have a lot still to learn.

2. Is there an "intelligence test" or "IQ test" that a candidate for President of Vice President needs to pass in order to be eligible? We keep hearing that Sarah Palin is too "stupid" to be Vice President, but I can't find either any proof that she's lacking in intelligence or anything in the U.S. Constitution that establishes any standards for intelligence and politics other than a few voting rights bits that outlaw such test as requirements for voting in an election.

3. Was Barack Obama a "community organizer" for a group called ACORN or was he not? Up until recently, he proudly claimed he was. In recent weeks, he's kinda hedged that. What's the true story?

4. Is the story I posted above from "Newsweek" accurate, or is it not? I went to snopes.com and found nothing there to refute it. Haven't checked your sites yet, but my guess is there might be some sort of spin there that'll shed light on it.

5. Do you have to be an American citizen in order to vote? I thought that was the law, but apparently it's not. Do you have to live in the district in which you're voting? Do you have to be ALIVE, over the age of 18, or some creature other than a Walt Disney character to be eligible to vote? Can you vote more than once in the same election, or is it okay to register, say, 73 times and vote more than once?

PAPPY, as far as our moderation, partisan B.S. is just part of the annoying game, although I agree with you wholeheartedly that if we cut and paste somebody else's work we should give them credit for it - and, as you say, " ... something from my friend's e-mail" isn't enough to identify the source. And if somebody cuts and pastes something that off-base or just wrong, he or she probably shouldn't get too upset when another members points it out.

Ain't free speech grand? Laughing

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I'll have to get back to you on those questions 'cause right now I have company and I've been posting on several sites trying to get an answer as to whether acive duty Marines are going to be particpating in the 'Ultimate Fight' matches at Parris Island tonite and whether, or not, there are any regs that prohibit active duty personnel from participating in such dangerous activities.

Also I've raised the question that should an active duty individual sustain serious injuries who will be held liable for it.

I, as a taxpayer, wouldn't like paying his hospital or funeral expenses because of a non-related service injury in an event, such as this, that is sanctioned by the military! 

I'll get back to you all should I learn anything ...

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Oh, don't waste a whole lot of time on that, Wrongboy. Cutline, followed by a picture:
Photo Date Taken: 2/24/2006
Unit: II Marine Expetitionary Force
Photo ByLine: Courtesy of www.groundpound.org
Photo VRIN: ku_feb24_280.jpg
Caption: Lance Cpl. George R. Lockhart (left), radio reconnaissance platoon, 2nd Radio Battalion, II Marine Expeditionary Force, fights his way out of a head lock from opponent Scott Harper during round two of the �Knuckle Up� Mixed Martial Arts Competition in Atlanta, Ga. Feb. 24th. Lockhart, who has been in the professional fighting circuit since he was 18, won by a technical knockout in the third round and won his second light heavyweight championship title.

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So, are there not lies floating around about McCain too?  Lies, half-truths, and misinterpretations are part of the game.  Shouldn't be, but that's the way it's always been.  But I don't think stories such as this are anywhere as bad as either of these candidates getting up in the face of Americans and lieing through their teeth saying that they "are going to do this and that."  I wonder if there is a list that can be found that goes back in history up until the present-day showing how many campaign promises have been broken versus followed through on?  Last night I happened to see a piece on the news that showed clips from past Presidents going back at least to Nixon, saying that they were going to rid our dependency on foreign oil.  I specifically recall hearing Nixon say in that clip that we would be free from that dependency by 1980.  Here we are in 2008 and both candidates are saying the same thing.  Why should anyone take them seriously or even vote for them based on that?  That alone makes me wonder why anyone can be so excited about a particular candidate.  They honestly believe that all of these promises are going to come-to-be as soon as they take office.  I'm not saying that any of you believe this, but I honestly believe a lot of Americans do. 

While writing this I have a picture in my mind of some I have seen at these Obama rallies crying.  While I appreciate their passion, I hate to think how disappointed they are going to be down the road if he does get elected.

(All my words and my opinion, but if I can find a clip of those past presidential promises about foreign oil I'll post it)

 

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Hi JD - He had to win, damaging government goods is against government regulations. Marines are trained to fight. The Lance Cpl. in the photo was simply honing his skills with a bit of sport. I wouldn’t want to be the foe that meets him in the battlefield but I would want him to happen along if I were being mugged. 

His government health program should cover any injuries just as state, county and corporate or business insurance would cover an employee, spouse, or covered dependent injured at a karate match, motocross race, or any other sport injury or accident not related to work.

How topic did this get moved over here?

Nicole

 

 

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Hank,What troubles me as a moderator is your propensity for copying other peoples' words without noting who wrote them or what source you used. Certainly 'a blog from an old friend' is insufficient.In your topic 'I can't believe it's not earned' you did the same thing. There a picture tells the reader nothing as to the source of the words.Please reference your words if they are not your own,Thankyou.

-pappy

Pappy anothr way to hush the anti obama people?
what a joke.
I pulled that off of a blog of an old friend, I said I did not know if he wrote it or not. if that ant good enough stuff it in the recycle bin.
Obama is a crooked as a $3 doller snake and you know it. but with your hate of bush you will look the other way and let the sociolist take over.
what would your forfathers thik.

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well now JD and pappy are stepping over the agreed upon persenal attacks and volger langue and going to play english profesors.
well that did not thake long.
now we will see the true death of this form.
the moderators have become power hungry.

BTY if somthing come is Mr. Hankeys email it belongs to him and is fair game.
if people did not want it posted they should keep it to themselves.

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Hankey,
You were not censored in any way. You were asked to "please" cite your sources. The same goes for anyone else on this blog.

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Hankey, there was absolutely nothing "personal" about what PAPPY said or what I said, and the request made of you was the same as the one made to another forum member recently: If you're going to cut and paste extensive work by somebody else, please attribute it to a source. Helps us avoid that stupid Millennium Copyright law somebody else (YouTube) was griping about earlier this week.

For your information, the other poster who was warned about that was an Obama supporter. You're a McCain supporter. We're equal opportunity here when it comes to allowing you to steal somebody else's work and post it without giving credit. You know, I usually agree with your side politically (although sometimes I think you do more to hurt the conservative argument than to help it), and PAPPY agrees with the other side, so anybody who thinks this is about trying to silence one "side" of the debate just isn't paying attention.

Also, no one is playing English professor with you. If that had anything to do with anything, you already wouldn't be here.

As for the possible death of this forum, you may feel free to stay around as long as you like to see that if you believe that's what is going to happen. If, on the other hand, you intend to be one of the CAUSES of its posible demise, you probably won't be here to see it. We will defend moderation, whether you like it or not, and it has nothing to do with anybody being "power hungry."

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jd,

In reply to a few of your quiries;

Yoiur data from Newsweek was absolutely correct. Of course you may recall your statement in a previous comment that Newsweek was a liberal rag that you couldn't be bothered reading.

In South Carolina a voter must be a citizen of the Uniyed States, as one of several other requirements, to vote.

Barak was a community organizer for Developing Communities Project only. DCP is still active.




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