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I Can't Believe It's Not Earned!

Socialism
A progressive political system that takes the power away from wealth creators and gives it to wealth distributors. Wealth distributors are typically a class of highly trained government bureaucrats who are being watched by a class of political commissars, who, in turn, are being watched by a class of secret police, all of whom are banded together by shared progressive morals. Because progressive morals are relative by definition, a certain measure of absolute propaganda is necessary to encourage collectivism and discourage counter revolution.

Since such propaganda is delivered through mass media, arts, and schools, a degree of ideological monopoly, uniformity, and censorship is also required in those fields. The resulting mass enthusiasm creates a vibrant state-subsidized culture, leading to great economic successes and technological breakthroughs, e.g., in North Korea

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mo copy/pastaaaa

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Quote Cowtown

"A rather poor definition of socialism

It implies that ‘wealth creators’ are independent with their accumulation of wealth, almost a class upon themselves perhaps a different species. Truth is there are many advantage built in to our economic system through taxes credits, tax breaks and government programs that helps benefit this so called ‘wealth creators’. And frankly ‘wealth creator seems to be a good name for them as many people created wealth that wasn’t there. How many trillions have disappeared from of economy due to some of these ‘wealth creators’?

No, socialism is more like McCain’s proposed bailout or his foreclosure plans, where he violates the markets or props up private industry with public funds. Many of these ‘wealth creators’ do rely upon on government socialism. It’s clear by looking at what corporation on a whole tends to pay or say oil companies enjoying record profits and massive tax breaks. Economically, a system that favors industry at the expense of the population, often redistributing public funds through government granted monopolies, small business development funds, assistant program and tax breaks or credit looks more like traditional Italian Fascism. In fact, the entire notion of trickle down economics is really just wealth redistribution of a socialist nature yet that’s what McCain favors. I don’t believe in trickle down as it has shown itself a failure time and time again. From the recession of the early 90s where George Bush labeled it voo-doo economics to current attempt of this Bush which resulted in job loss and a battered economy.

. Many forgot the failure of Market Capitalism during the labor crisis of the early 1900s and then again during the depression. I thought with the latest news people would have learnt their lesson by now but they seem to ignore that some control needs to be applied to maintain markets.

There is not such thing as Capitalism other than the black market or short of anarchy"
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I may be copy Patse ding dong, but the sad part it's true.
You Democrats just love to live off other peoples hard earned money.

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"You Democrats just love to live off other peoples hard earned money."

That's interesting because I'm a Democrat, and I've never lived off of anyone but myself.

If I wanted to reduce you to a one sentence, silly stereotype, then I would say "You Republicans are only still around because you've manage to convince poor people that if they love Jesus enough then they'll get rich too and then enjoy the tax breaks."

But I wouldn't want to reduce you to a one sentence stereotype because we've reached a point in this country when there is too much going on that is serious to reduce one another to silly, angry, and false generalizations.

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Well, I don't know about everybody else, but THIS Republican has his savings in a mayonnaise jar buried in the back yard, and it's going to stay there so neither party can get it until this manufactured crisis blows over. Smile

I just hope inflation stays low. Otherwise, a year or two from now, I'll have to dig up that jar and use the money to buy another jar of mayonnaise for my bologna sandwiches. 

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I wish I had money to buy stock now. If Buffet is doing it...

I have approximately $ 4.17 and a $15.00 check from my grandma dated June 11, 1994 to spend. I'm totally calling my broker.

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You Democrats just love to live off other peoples hard earned money.

-voice-of-reason



No one claiming to be "voice of reason" should paint with such a broad brush.

How many of those wealthy Republicans give of their time and money to social issues. Very few! They, as most Republican's, believe what's theirs is theirs and what yours is theirs and will get it by hook or crook.

Where is all that compassion for the less fortunate? Is this Christian Values? If this is so then I think my plan to live by the "golden rule" beats "Christian Values" any day.












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Charity comes from the heart. Forced redistribution of wealth comes from the government. The difference in definitions has nothing to do with Christianity.

This Republican donates to a number of causes every year, but they are charitable and humanitarian issues of MY choosing, not the government's.

And as for that "Golden Rule" ("Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"), I can absolutely assure you that if you were wealthy, I wouldn't take 10 percent of your wealth and give it to somebody else arbitrarily, no matter how pure my motive may have seemed. In the real world, that would be called "theft."

No matter how popular culture tries to paint Robin Hood as a champion of the poor, in reality (if, indeed, he even existed) he was nothing more than a common thief.

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I've read put-downs and scenarios mentioned here and other places as well, but I have never heard anyone justify the government taking from "the rich" and giving it to "the poor".  I understand that we have to pay taxes and I have no problems with that.  But for a party to run on a platform saying that they want to redistribute everyone's money that they earned themselves, is kind of hard to believe to me.

Why should the government (or anyone) decide who has "too much money" or more money than they need?  What is that amount?  Does it differ between people? 

For instance, Joe the Plumber.  Joe is a plumber (although not licensed) but he said that he wanted to own the plumbing company that makes about $250,000/year, correct?  And once he does own it, then Obama's plan would punish him by increasing his taxes.  The media has spun this situation around all kinds of ways.  They were saying that they didn't know of any plumbers making $250,000/year.  They then said that he "would" benefit from Obama's tax plan.  Well, Joe knows he would benefit now, but his concern was once he was the owner of that company, then he would be punished by the new tax plan.  And in turn this would deter him from proceeding in his atempts to be a business owner.  That's not what we want for this country is it?

 

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Charity comes from the heart. Forced redistribution of wealth comes from the government. The difference in definitions has nothing to do with Christianity.

This Republican donates to a number of causes every year, but they are charitable and humanitarian issues of MY choosing, not the government's.

And as for that "Golden Rule" ("Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"), I can absolutely assure you that if you were wealthy, I wouldn't take 10 percent of your wealth and give it to somebody else arbitrarily, no matter how pure my motive may have seemed. In the real world, that would be called "theft."

No matter how popular culture tries to paint Robin Hood as a champion of the poor, in reality (if, indeed, he even existed) he was nothing more than a common thief.


-jdtippett



Must have been a Repulican. Laughing  I am kidding, of course.  I am just distressed at all the evil that has taken place in the name of politics. 

Why can't we all be friends and tell all the good things about our individual candidates here or maybe not discuss National politics at all.  There are not going to be any minds changed and there are plenty of other issues that could use some discussion on the local level.

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Actually, Petunia, I suspect Robin Hood was a populist. Populists have aligned themselves with both major parties at various times in our history, depending on which one was more willing to write the checks in order to pander for votes.

That ''evil done in the name of politics" is something both parties are guilty of. Those who are highly partisan won't admit that, but the sooner all of us recognize the difference between helping the public and helping yourself, the better off all of us will be.

The national topics are the ones that seem to draw the most debate lately, in part because of those "seminar posters" who, for some reason, think all of us don't pick up the same Democrat and Republican talking points on CNN and FoxNews every day. Not much we can do about that until November 5 - assuming, of course, there's even any reason to do anything about it. Those topics are always fair game.

One has to wonder, though, what has happened to the debate over local issues here. Did everybody give up all at once? Is everybody finally happy at the direction Anderson County is taking? I don't know. I'm just asking. But I doubt it'll stay quiet for very long. Wink

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Charity comes from the heart. Forced redistribution of wealth comes from the government.

-jdtippett

In Anderson County charity also comes from tax dollars. County Council members have a slush fund that they can use to donate to charities they support with your tax dollars! The Anderson Independent is currently running advertisements for over 2,600 pieces of property that will be sold for delinquent property taxes on November 3rd. Somehow it doesn't seem right that a goverment should sell your property for taxes that may well be given to a 501(C)3 organization with no followup on its use. A contribution to charity shoud be a matter of an individual's heart... not a body politic.

JD as for local issue local debate, a lot of us ended some debate with our votes in the primary. Now we are waiting to see if we made the right decisions.

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In Anderson County charity also comes from tax dollars. County Council members have a slush fund that they can use to donate to charities they support with your tax dollars! The Anderson Independent is currently running advertisements for over 2,600 pieces of property that will be sold for delinquent property taxes on November 3rd. Somehow it doesn't seem right that a goverment should sell your property for taxes that may well be given to a 501(C)3 organization with no followup on its use. A contribution to charity shoud be a matter of an individual's heart... not a body politic.

JD as for local issue local debate, a lot of us ended some debate with our votes in the primary. Now we are waiting to see if we made the right decisions.


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If you do not pay your taxes your property will be sold period.  The final notice has been posted.  If this is the first time that you have been made aware of this problem there is still time to appeal or pay the back taxes.  Much of this property has been abandoned and needs to be taken over and returned to some useful purpose and not used by derelicts and drug dealers.


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I wish I had money to buy stock now. If Buffet is doing it...

I have approximately $ 4.17 and a $15.00 check from my grandma dated June 11, 1994 to spend. I'm totally calling my broker.


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Do it, girl!  You can get about 14 shares of Freddie Mac, or maybe 5 shares of Ford Motor!

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No one claiming to be "voice of reason" should paint with such a broad brush.

How many of those wealthy Republicans give of their time and money to social issues. Very few! They, as most Republican's, believe what's theirs is theirs and what yours is theirs and will get it by hook or crook.

Where is all that compassion for the less fortunate? Is this Christian Values? If this is so then I think my plan to live by the "golden rule" beats "Christian Values" any day.


-petunia1

 

Lovely Flowerl  Come join us Repubs sometimes, OK.  You can watch.  Wouldn't want you to break a nail  Smile

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Much of what you said is true petunia1 and I agree. Although I would question your definition of "Much of this property". I believe if you look into it you will find less than 10% is as you describe.

But my point was charity should be a individual decision... not a function of government.

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One has to wonder, though, what has happened to the debate over local issues here. Did everybody give up all at once? Is everybody finally happy at the direction Anderson County is taking? I don't know. I'm just asking. But I doubt it'll stay quiet for very long. [image]

-jdtippett



Well, the CPST discussion got stuck on the 97% full vs. 3% empty debate. Everyone that was against it either felt it was not the right time to raise taxes, or condemned the whole list of projects because they felt some portion of the projects were pork.

The animal discussion degenerated into the "insiders" telling everyone else to shut up about it.

I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion about the mysterious executive session at the last County Council meeting and the intriguing item number 11 on the upcoming meeting's agenda.

Edit: Ah, new thread started by JD even as I posted this.
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I wish I had money to buy stock now. If Buffet is doing it...

I have approximately $ 4.17 and a $15.00 check from my grandma dated June 11, 1994 to spend. I'm totally calling my broker.


-ibvirginia

I'd be wary of Warren Buffet's ulterior motives.  This guy is too saavy to invest in things likely to be overpriced, and soon may end up owning this whole country.

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Much of what you said is true petunia1 and I agree. Although I would question your definition of "Much of this property". I believe if you look into it you will find less than 10% is as you describe.

But my point was charity should be a individual decision... not a function of government.


-non-sequitur

I thonk 10% is an accurate and fair number.
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