To me there is also a problem in computer communication between the assessor, auditor and treas. I think there is info that is not accurately swapped between the the 3 depts, plus a lot of duplicate work. And vehicles and the hwy dept add another problem. All of which add to increased costs. I don't like to write novels, but can give specifics if needed.(I think we've gotten off of the original topic--what's new.)
Thanks fellows, that helps. Some. Do they ever lower the assessment on anything?
Al Brown-mral
Here's the brochure on appealing your valuation. I didn't read it, so I don't know if it will answer your question.
Ms. Wilson said “My concern is that in the present state of the economy, when even business travel is down, big-ticket items like this are being tabled. It just makes no sense, no sense at all, to do more than the first half-million (dollars) approved in the general obligation bond.”
How would you have voted?
Of course MCW would thumbs down any projects not in her district, hence not adding to her constituents pockets or property sales values. ( begin the thumbs down now MCW supporters...)
The airport project won't hurt anything, but ADD value to Anderson as a drawing point for future travelers, rents for hangers, fuel sales, possible expansion in that area, etc. Lets examine the whole idea of implementing new taxes during a recession ( face it, it really is a global-DEPRESSION) where jobs are evaporating, incomes less than in 1990, overall sales for Anderson are down, values have been inflated to false levels and subsequent fake property values are what we pay taxes on. My new assessment has me upside-down in value-to taxation. I couldn't sell my home for nearly what it's "value" is, not in this market anyways. I fail to see how out of towners will invigorate the area when we offer nothing to draw them here anyways. There's no way in six years Anderson will generate $160mILLION FROM A PENNY TAX.
Of course MCW would thumbs down any projects not in her district, hence not adding to her constituents pockets or property sales values. ( begin the thumbs down now MCW supporters...)
The airport project won't hurt anything, but ADD value to Anderson as a drawing point for future travelers, rents for hangers, fuel sales, possible expansion in that area, etc. Lets examine the whole idea of implementing new taxes during a recession ( face it, it really is a global-DEPRESSION) where jobs are evaporating, incomes less than in 1990, overall sales for Anderson are down, values have been inflated to false levels and subsequent fake property values are what we pay taxes on. My new assessment has me upside-down in value-to taxation. I couldn't sell my home for nearly what it's "value" is, not in this market anyways. I fail to see how out of towners will invigorate the area when we offer nothing to draw them here anyways. There's no way in six years Anderson will generate $160mILLION FROM A PENNY TAX.
-wyatt1sc
So, would you have voted for or against the airport bond?
I supported the bond, knowing how many commuter jets and corporate planes use GSP as their base. All that lost revenue......
Still think $2million investment for something likely to GENERATE income, vs, building roads for riches and planting flowers for wino's to piss in makes much more economic sense.
Good Cents Anderson
I supported the bond, knowing how many commuter jets and corporate planes use GSP as their base.
-wyatt1sc
How many? I don't know, I'm just asking.
Looks like the Anderson Area Chamber of Commerce put up a website supporting the sales tax:-stringcheese
Has the Chamber ever met a tax they did not like? I'm sure the amount of money that comes to them from the county in one form or another has nothing to do with their point of view either!
I believe there is a Capital Projects Sales Tax meeting at the Civic Center tomorrow, Thurs Oct 9 at 6pm. Haven't heard much about it. It is open to the public. Hope all can attend.
Information presented at one of the numerous meeting suggested more than 20 stable corporations in this region are curently based at GSP, and an equal number have hangers either at Hartsfiels-Jackson (atlanta), Columbia Metro, Aiken or several smaller local airports which have runway space and refuel capacities. Even Clemson University, Michelin, Bosch LLC and pilots working at Anmed do not hanger their plane here. The losses are simple from that math. ($2,000 per month hanger rental fees, times 20+ planes, times 12 months a year, plus fuel costs and accomodations) this would pay for itself in just a few years.-wyatt1sc
Were your examples from the meetings, or off the top of your head?
According to Michelin's press releases, Michelin North America is headquartered in Greenville, with locations in Anderson and Spartanburg. If they have an airplane I'm guessing it will stay in Greenville.
I don't know if Clemson is a good example, either. According to these webpages, Clemson has a hanger at Oconee County Regional Airport with 2 airplanes in it, and the airport claims it's only a 5-minute drive to the Clemson campus. I don't see how the Anderson airport would be more convenient for them.
Bosch North America is headquartered in Farmington Hills, MI. Their website doesn't say where any of the division headquarters are or if any of the executives live around here. Is one of their divisions headquartered here? I would be surprised to hear that a manufacturing facility had an airplane.
In these meetings was the emphasis on acquiring existing business from other airports, or that there was pent-up demand for new hanger space that couldn't be filled elsewhere?
Those speaking at one of the presentations specifically said they were approached by those firms and/or corporations which expressed interest in basing planes here. Either for permanent use, or temporary when directors or meetings are held. CLEMSON was also used in those examples, and as I don't know the runway length or available hanger space in Oconee, I cannot say their motives for wanting one here. I know a longer runway and better storage would be an asset. How does one expect to draw new corporate offices and investors when they have to drive 45 minutes from GSP. As this is a done deal, why rehash?
Also as an add: HPTF hosted our own Good Cents Anderson informational meeting on Thurday night. Lee Luff, from Chamber of Commerce, and Bob ( forgot his last name, dangit!) with Good Cents Anderson, did their presentation about the 124-item project list, and how the projects would be paid, etc. While some of them do have merit, we had very few positives come from the attendees. Only three projects are planned for district 5 (formally) with three also butting up to the district lines. Looking over the list, I was amazed how many were in Districts 1( 16 total) 2( 21 total), 3 (55 total)4( 10 total) 5 ( 3 total) 6 ( 5 total) & 7(16 total) .The projects have yet to be placed for bidding either, so am sure the numbers will not hold up once the taxes are collected, the competitors placed out to bid, and projects underway. There is ambivilance about enacting a $163,000,000. tax act during such an economic turmoil time. We were assured that 40% of the taxes would be collected by out of towners. While some felt this was good for everyone, it benefits some more than all. IMHO....
Oddly, sound minds prevailed and the project will be slowed to meet the downfall in demand. The money will be available on a building by building need basis. I guess MCW is responsible for Holt telling the CC the need has decreased due to the down turn in the economy.
Penny sales tax would fund water projects
It's hard to believe anyone considers this kind of project as pork.
Here's a quote from the Chamber of Commerce website:
"The best news is that 38% ($56 million) will be paid by non-residents. Tourists, shoppers, and outside businesses who use our roads in Anderson County will help us pay for our improvements. "Good Cents" will cost each Anderson County resident an average of $67 per year for 7 years, based on consumption...small cost with tremendous benefits."
That's $268/year for a family of 4...that won't even fix a pothole in front of your house.
There's no "infrastructure fairy" to sprinkle some dust overnight to magically make new roads appear and bridges heal. This goes way beyond the Joey Preston/Cindy Wilson lovefest and the vocal anti-tax people in the county. If we don't do it, we get what we deserve, an infrastructure "Corridor of Shame".
Get a life String! The referendum is dead. The no new taxes crowd are finally on the right side of a question. I don't like to vote with them as they are siding with me for the wrong reason.
It was a good idea gone wrong. If you vote for this 1 cent tax increase you will not only be paying 1 cent on anything you buy. The taxpayers of Anderson County will be paying off the bonds issued on 10 projects that will not have enough tax collected (in the 7 years) in this economic hardship time to meet the $$$$$$$$$$ spent.
String, here is my thinking on the 1% tax. One, Anderson County has currently an 8% unemployment rate. Two, thousands of additional people in Anderson County are retired on fixed incomes or can't work and are receiving welfare or social security payments. None of these folks I'll bet want a tax increase. Three, the country is in a recession (or at least very bad economic times). Four, reassessment bills will soon be coming and will be quite high considering they will be using 2006 as the base year when houses were worth a good bit more than they are now. Five, many in Anderson County feel their current tax dollars are not being properly accounted for or prioritized for infrastructure projects. This is a big reason why three Council members lost their seats during this past primary election. Six, the estimate that 38% of the taxes will come from non-residents is a stab in the dark. There is no scientific research to back that number up. I could say it will be more like 2% and be just about as right. Seven, there is too much pork in the project list. This tax was originally marketed as to repair roads and bridges and that is what should be on the list, not all of the other stuff including the east-west connector. Bottom line is this is a very bad time to be asking for a tax increase.
Get a life String! The referendum is dead. The no new taxes crowd are finally on the right side of a question. I don't like to vote with them as they are siding with me for the wrong reason.
It was a good idea gone wrong. If you vote for this 1 cent tax increase you will not only be paying 1 cent on anything you buy. The taxpayers of Anderson County will be paying off the bonds issued on 10 projects that will not have enough tax collected (in the 7 years) in this economic hardship time to meet the $$$$$$$$$$ spent.-petunia1
So my 99 cent cheeseburger from Wendy's will cost me $1.06 instead of $1.05? Oh my!!
. . . I mean really folks . . . have we sunk so low as that we can not come off of a PENNY? Failure to implement improvements to infrastructure will result in us, Anderson County, sinking even farther behind where we are today. People ask me why businesses don't locate themselves to Anderson. It's simple really: You need more than a large cow field or pasture to lure VW ... it's called INFRASTRUCTURE!!!
If you are so tight on funds that you can't part with an extra penny as you pay for that cheeseburger at Wendy's, you may want to re-think if you really need that cheeseburger at all.
/sigh
- SSHM
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