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If this is how County Employees perform their duties, it's time to truly re-evaluate our leadership.

Homeowner says builder, inspectors did poor job
By Stan Welch
A homeowner in one of Anderson County’s finer neighborhoods has serious problems with the performance of the county building inspectors.
Bill Chandler, who recently built a home in the Chestnut Springs development, says that the County inspectors routinely signed off on work which was done improperly, did not meet county codes, or simply wasn’t done at all. He contends that the county’s failure to enforce standards resulted in tens of thousands of dollars worth of repairs that are needed on the house; repairs that will almost certainly have to be made at Chandler’s expense, since the builder in question recently declared bankruptcy.
“He did that to avoid being held accountable for his miserable performance,” said Chandler. “I have a civil lawsuit filed against him, and there is a hearing scheduled with the state licensing, labor and regulations board (LLR) at which I fully expect that his contracting license will be revoked. But I have virtually no chance of recovering my losses, and I firmly believe that the county failed to do its job.”
Chandler, who owns an engineering company in Powdersville, says that he is certainly qualified to make the allegations he is making, both against the builder and the county.
“But really, it doesn’t take any special expertise. I mean, if you’re standing on a porch with no screen installed, I don’t know exactly how you can sign off on it as being a screen porch. But the county inspector did. I have the paperwork to prove it.”
 Chandler says he picked H & D Construction of Inman, SC because his lender recommended them. “They did decent work at first, but they got worse and worse.”
The building permit for the house, which is over 5000 square feet, was issued in March of 2007. By September, Chandler was in touch with the LLR office, filing a complaint about the work being done, and not being done, on his house.
By December of 2007, Chandler was corresponding with Barry Holcombe of the county codes department, expressing his concerns about the construction. In a letter dated December 10, Chandler informed Holcombe of structural and other deviations from the international residential code, as well as “of standard engineering practices and standard construction practices. Over the course of construction we were assured by our builder, H & D Construction, that these items would be repaired. To date, none have.”
By this time, the LLR had already been contacted but had informed Chandler that the county had responsibility for the first two years of the structure’s life.
In January of  2008, Robertson –Wade Engineering, issued their independent report, which described the work as substandard. The report went on to recommend hiring a new contractor to repair the deficiencies and even demolish and restore some of the construction. Chandler says the projected costs of the repairs approached $200,000.
“What I can’t understand is how the various phases of work were approved by county inspectors. I mean many of these areas were glaring. I had walls inside the house that had no insulation in them. The area over the front porch was never insulated. Code violations are visible everywhere. The inspectors would catch these things on first inspection, but they never verified whether they had been corrected. The builder would assure them he’d take care of things, but he didn’t. I have a report from a reputable engineer that shows that.”
Chandler says that when he presented the independent engineering report to the builder, citing all the repairs and changes to be made, the builder simply pulled off the job and didn’t return. “He had already hired a lawyer when I got LLR involved. So he just left and has never come back or taken another phone call from me. I just feel like if the county had done its job and made him address the violations at the proper time, this wouldn’t be happening.”
Chandler says to add insult to injury, he recently received notice from the county that he had not yet fenced in his pool and the permit to do so had expired and would need to be renewed. “If I hadn’t been tied up fighting this guy, because the county didn’t enforce their own codes, I would have had the damn fence up by now. So now I have to buy another license. This is absolutely crazy.”

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" repairs that will almost certainly have to be made at Chandler’s expense, since the builder in question recently declared bankruptcy." I assume that the builder had insurance when he was building the home. Cannot the owner file against the insurance company? Anderson County is facing this same problem with Michelin Blvd. The paving is subpar from what I have read and the company is gone. Can't Anderson County sue the pavers ins. company rather than make taxpayers re-do the road again at our expense? Wouldn't Mr. Hopkins and maybe others have investigated to make sure that the paver had insurance?
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Ask JP to file a law suit against the County Code officers for you.

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It certainly speaks to the blog addressing certain employees being removed from the payroll in 2009- as to insurance, my guess is unless the attorney who is representing the builder agrees to invoke the insurance company for the builder then pretty much the owner is screwed. Isn't our legal system just grand? Bet you the tax bill won't be late for the Chandler's and guarantee you it will be for full value as opposed to the fact that the structure has to pretty much be rebuilt.

The real question here though is HOW DID THE GUYS RUNNING CODE COMPLIANCE ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN AND HOW MANY OTHER TIMES HAVE THEY OVERLOOKED BUILDING CODE VIOLATIONS? JUST HOW SAFE IS NEW CONSTRUCTION IN ANDERSON COUNTY????

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No due dilligence with the County I see. What a muckraker.

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Looking at those trees are you my dear?

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Looking at those trees are you my dear?

-springs-sprung

Spring, you lost me. Please explain.
SD

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I took it to refer to the old adage of not seeing the forest for the trees.... 

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Dear Queen,
You are one smart cookie! TGIF!

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. . . Chandler, who owns an engineering company in Powdersville, says that he is certainly qualified to make the allegations he is making, both against the builder and the county.

“But really, it doesn’t take any special expertise. I mean, if you’re standing on a porch with no screen installed, I don’t know exactly how you can sign off on it as being a screen porch. But the county inspector did. I have the paperwork to prove it.”

 Chandler says he picked H & D Construction of Inman, SC because his lender recommended them. “They did decent work at first, but they got worse and worse.” . . .

-springs-sprung



This is the part where I say I smell a rat . . .

While it may indeed be sad and unfortunate that Mr. Chandler has endured problems with his construction, let's look at who the engineer went to to get advise on construction: HIS LENDER.

HELLO!!!

Having worked with a number of engineering companies over the years, those folks know construction companies; the groups that are worth anything. If the engineering company in question does not know the group directly (e.g. your engineering firm serves commercial not residential), someone does. Certainly I'd look to a better source than a lender.

If he is "certainly qualified to make those allegation," according to the author of the piece, then once could logically deduct that he could also wisely choose a construction company that would not, according to the article, leave him high and dry.

If anything, you can take the following from this article:

1.) NEVER ask your lender who should build your house (Dammit Jim, I'm a BANKER not a BUILDER!).
2.) Use the BBB or other such organizations and groups that rate the performance of companies like this (independent of the city or county records).
3.) Someone is yet again attempting to smear the county - go figure (the hand of one is not the hand of all).

Because if we were to apply the "hand of one to the hand of all" approach, what would Stanton's writings say about journalists everywhere, hmmm?


- SSHM
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The glaring ommission is the total failure of Stan Welch to even try and talk to county employees. I thought he was a "professional"?..this is incompetance at its ultimate worst..

to smear..by name..a county employee..then fail to even to do his normal worthless midnight phone call to an unanswered county phone number (the indiviual in question would not return phone calls) shows how far the witch hunt mentality has gone.. it also shows how complacent and lazy the cindi clones are getting..they dont even care about pretending to be fair or unbiased... its all about the blood now

SOoooo......How come the B&C department isnt given the chance to refute the allegations of the owner? For that matter, if the owner is "certainly qualified" himself..then how come he sat and let it hasppen for all these years?

Could he have been actually TRYING to make it happen..after all..if he is "clearly qualified"..then youd think it never wuold have happened at all.. Stan should have asked that question too

A reporter merely "covering the story without an agenda" would have done that..

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Stan I think you should interview the employee before you make such judgements in the newspaper. I mean that is one of the reasons people still read a newspaper so they can get both sides of a story. However anymore that seems to be not the case. The print media is either left or right with no unbiased anything about it. Stan bring your standards up to where they are supposed to be.

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The glaring ommission is the total failure of Stan Welch to even try and talk to county employees. I thought he was a "professional"?..this is incompetance at its ultimate worst..

to smear..by name..a county employee..then fail to even to do his normal worthless midnight phone call to an unanswered county phone number (the indiviual in question would not return phone calls) shows how far the witch hunt mentality has gone.. it also shows how complacent and lazy the cindi clones are getting..they dont even care about pretending to be fair or unbiased... its all about the blood now

SOoooo......How come the B&C department isnt given the chance to refute the allegations of the owner? For that matter, if the owner is "certainly qualified" himself..then how come he sat and let it hasppen for all these years?

Could he have been actually TRYING to make it happen..after all..if he is "clearly qualified"..then youd think it never wuold have happened at all.. Stan should have asked that question too

A reporter merely "covering the story without an agenda" would have done that..

-palmetto-native

 

I am very unclear on how Cindy Wilson factors into this discussion?  Why do you continually bring personalities into conversations that should be dealt with as factually as possible?  Inquiring mninds would love that answer...at the end of the day we have a citizen who has hundreds of thousands of dollars in structural building code violations and somehow it's CINDY's FAULT?  Jeez Louise....

I believe the SC Department of Labor Licensing and Regulation will rule on that very issue this Fall further to the County's responsibility. If you understand anything about how our legal system works, as well as what passes for 'building inspection at the county level' then you would have answers to your own questions.

 My understanding is Mr. Chandler gave a list of deviations to the county commencing in July of 2007- none of which were addressed. Later when he was forced to go the the State because he received NO assistance from the county LLR then kicked the case BACK to the county as by law the county has responsibility for any deviations on any new construction for a period of 2 years. Mr Chandler wrote numerous letters to the county and made numerous phone calls which were never acknowledged or replied to. The independent engineering report which was submitted to the county was returned to LLR WITH A STICKY NOTE ATTACHED TO IT THAT SAID I CONCUR'. A STICKY NOTE PEOPLE!!! This will be introduced at the LLR hearing. That has been the ONLY response from the county since this matter came before LLR in September 2007.

 As to the law, yes there is insurance biut that insurance in a civil matter can only be invoked if the defending attorney TURNS IT OVER TO THE INSURNACE COMPANY.  Why would an attorney do that when he's collecting fees? My understanding is that this has not happened in this matter.  My guess is that once LLR yanks this builder's license, the attorney will then be forced to.  Bear in mind, his goal at this stage is TO COLLECT FEES and once the insurance company is engaged, the case will be turned over to the insurance company's attorney.

 As I stated earlier, none of you truly appreciate the forest as you're admiring the trees.  ARE YOU AWARE THAT IN THE STATE OF SC A LICENSED CONTRACTOR IS NOT REQUIRED TO DO ANY CONTINUING EDUCATION?  NONE, NADDA, ZIP.  My hairdresser takes more continuing ed than a builder licensed in the State of SC???? .  These guys are building homes that your children and my children and my neighbors children live, sleep and play in.  Just how safe are they REALLY? ARE YOU AWARE THAT TO BE A BUILDING INSPECTOR YOURE NOT REALLY REQUIRED TO HAVE ANY EXTENSIVE TRAINING IN CONSTRUCTION?  Makes me want to run right out and build a house-how about you?

And let's face it folks, how do we in fact know that Mr Welch didn't call the county but didn't get a return phone call?  That is an assumption.  Based on the prior performance of the county, which can be proved BTW, my guess is they were busy....

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we know Stan didnt call because he didnt say he did. And even if he did, how can you write a story without covering both sides. Its not a story without them..its merely an allegation...or an opinion.. which is what passes for news any more in Anderson County..

cindi says county employees got drunk and paid for sex with a county credit card..and it becomes news without a shred of proof.. its really getting disgusting

I will say this..my comment about "professionalism" was wrong. Stan is a good writer. Though I clearly dont agree with him on all he writes..he is a good writer who takes his job seriously. i just think that in this story, he let his standards down.

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. . .And let's face it folks, how do we in fact know that Mr Welch didn't call the county but didn't get a return phone call? That is an assumption. Based on the prior performance of the county, which can be proved BTW, my guess is they were busy....

-springs-sprung

SS,

Dearest Stanton is well known in his writing for listing when a given party was or was not available for comment. To see that such a comment like "a member of the county ... blah blah blah ... was unavailable" absent from his article does indeed mean he did not contact the county and instead opted to run with a hit piece.

Sad . . .

You do what you must to sell papers, I suppose, even if it includes making yellow journalism THE method of writing and composition.

- SSHM

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we know Stan didnt call because he didnt say he did. And even if he did, how can you write a story without covering both sides. Its not a story without them..its merely an allegation...or an opinion.. which is what passes for news any more in Anderson County..
cindi says county employees got drunk and paid for sex with a county credit card..and it becomes news without a shred of proof.. its really getting disgusting
I will say this..my comment about "professionalism" was wrong. Stan is a good writer. Though I clearly dont agree with him on all he writes..he is a good writer who takes his job seriously. i just think that in this story, he let his standards down.

-palmetto-native



PN,

It's time to call that rag over there what it is . . . The Williamston Yellow Journal.

Funny ... I never thought the New York Journal had circulation in Wiliamston Wink



- SSHM
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AGAIN I ask WHAT DOES CINDY WILSON HAVE TO DO WITH THE ISSUE AT HAND-

At the end of the day the County FAILED to do it's job and the State was forced to intervene to protect Mr. Chandler.  My guess is he knows the protocal and exhausted all resources at the county level before he went to the state- hence the gap between July and September 2007.  

At the end of the day the people building our homes are NOT required to have any extensive training and NO CONTINUING EDUCATION.  It's the ONLY license that does not...doesn't that frighten you?  I know it does me...guess that's Cindy's fault too.  LMAO 

 

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How do you KNOW that the county failed to do its job? You have taken the word of an angry home builder and chosen to believe him without even the courtesy of asking the county employee what happened?

Some person gets mad because HE didnt do what any homebuilder should have done, and actually research the person trusted with hundreds of thousands of dollars... so he blames the county for his errors.. and you so badly WANT to believe any bad story about a county employee..that you agree with it ...

Read the article..the builder ..out of Inman..was selected by his lender..want to bet it was the "LOW BIDDER"..there is normally a reason for that fact, but hey, lets blame the county for that too...

As far as cindi is concerned..it is relevant because it proves that there is a group that believes any allegations to be fact merely because of WHO made it...and this story is just an example of that disturbing trend..

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AGAIN I ask WHAT DOES CINDY WILSON HAVE TO DO WITH THE ISSUE AT HAND- At the end of the day the County FAILED to do it's job and the State was forced to intervene to protect Mr. Chandler.  My guess is he knows the protocal and exhausted all resources at the county level before he went to the state- hence the gap between July and September 2007.   At the end of the day the people building our homes are NOT required to have any extensive training and NO CONTINUING EDUCATION.  It's the ONLY license that does not...doesn't that frighten you?  I know it does me...guess that's Cindy's fault too.  LMAO   

-springs-sprung



SS,

You can factually make the case that as a member of County Council, MCW (aka the Political Neophyte) has had ample opportunity to champion causes, build coalitions, and work with other members of council on correcting this glaring issue, of which I agree with you on (continuing education is critical to EVERYTHING - you never stop learning).

Alas - you could also make that case about the other six members of council too :(

The question becomes now: Which council member, current or incoming, will champion this cause and correct the issue at hand?


- SSHM
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SSHM,

 I agree that on the county level Council members have a responsibility to ensure that Buidling Inspectors are as best qualified as they can be , and YET we have an Council / Administrator form of government so the argument could be made that as the Administrator is directly responsible for the various departments then he should champion that cause- after all, we don't want another lawsuit in which a council member is sued for directing another county employee now do we?Wink

As far as licensed contractors doing minimal education to first be licensed and THEN not being required to do ANY continuing ed my understanding is that change must come from the State legislature (KEVIN BRYANT ARE YOU LISTENING?).  The caveat to that however is that The Homebuilders Association (which by the way pretty much controls LLR-4 members sit on the review committee) is the largest Lobbying force in the state- and THEY LOOK OUT FOR THEIR MEMBERS, NOT the CONSUMER.  It's like the inmates guarding the prison.  I certainly hope someone champions the cause of safety in housing and requiring continuing education and better education BEFORE licensing a contractor, but given South Carolina politics it's not very likely.

From my perspective it's much more important to have  a well built home than it is to have a great haircut.

 

 

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