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Rino - People, children and the elderly have lots of avenues to help them, you, welfare, DSS, Medicare, Medicade, AARP,the VA (for the Vets) and the list goes on. You do your thing and no one will fault you for that and you will have the support of all but offer the same support to those who pick the ones with no voice - the animals. In this county there should be room for care for all.

I dare say if your dogs were stolen to become bait dogs for a fighting ring, you would be screaming foul, looking for them, the criminals and pushing the Sheriff to shut the fight rings down. If someone had bad fences and cows or horses become projectiles into your windshield, will you sue and complain that should have been taken care of or just shrug your shoulders and say "that the way the cookie crumbles?"

These animals you say are of questionable importance, ask pet stores, feed stores, T Ed Garrison, area hotels & restaurants how important they are? All the cattle sales, horse sales, shows, farmers and owners are a huge part of the health of this economy.

Your comment won't make anyone mad I don't think, it might make them want you to get a better understanding of the problems and value of taking care of this problem.

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Janedoe,I agree with you that the animals in the county should be taken care of,But animals, the sick,and the elderly,and all children,don`t always end up with either parents,or owners who care for them like they should.And yes there are numerous agency`s that will handle problems that arise for human beings, but sometime that help is to late in coming,and doesn`t even exist for animals.But what I am trying to say is, it is a lot easier to take an animal that is being mistreated,or sick, from an owner, and place it in a safer and better environment,than a mis-treated child,sick or elderly person,or someone who has nobody to turn to.They all need our help equally,and I wouldn`t like to put one ahead of the other.Everyone has to make their own personal decision who,or what is closer to their hearts.I have made my choice,and it sounds like you have too.

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it is a lot easier to take an animal that is being mistreated,or sick, from an owner, and place it in a safer and better environment,than a mis-treated child,sick or elderly person,or someone who has nobody to turn to.

-rino

Hello Rino,
Right now, Anderson has no place to take many of the animals in our county that face starvation or injury. With a drought and limited space on all our farms, our volunteers are feeling the pinch and using everything they have to keep our own animals healthy and fed.
It was interesting that someone accused PEARL of not doing their "job" this past week when our “job” is to support a county that has failed to provide even a safe place to take these animals in. The only office that has supported PEARL is the Sheriff's Office and that is because we help them do their job. Livestock is a job that they inherited and have received no money, facilities, equipment or additional man power to accomplish the work with.
From just the money the county saved by not having to purchase land a more than an adequate in-take facility can be built. David Crenshaw has asked for it and John Skipper is aware of the problem. We hope 2009 brings the support the Sheriff’s Office needs to provide just the basics for doing this part of the job.

Nicole Walukewicz
Chair - PEARL

PS There is a meeting tomorrow at the Anderson library at 7:00 where these issues will be discussed.

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Hello,nicole-walukewicz,I have a daughter named Nicole, so you must be a good person.My daughter also loves all god`s creatures,both big,and small.I try to help in any cause that I think is worth while,and yours certainly is.I will try to be at your meeting at the library tomorrow at 7 pm,Hope to see you there RINO.

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Nicole---The 7pm meeting at the library Monday, 8 Sep sounds interesting. I hope there is a good turn out and it is well publicized. I wish you the best and will see you at the meeting.

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I look forward to it. It's not a meeting I called but one I will attend hoping that the dialog will bring attention to the needs of our county and the members of our community will discuss how to use the animal shelter money to accommodate all the animals in our county.

Rino, don't let your daughter anywhere near a horse or she might become infected with the dreaded horse riding disorder. Then it's lessons, horses, tack, shows and trailers. I was infected at 18 months old and look what happened to me!

Introduce yourself to me at the meeting. I look forward to meeting you (kilkenny) and hopefully Rino as well.

Regards,
Nicole

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Nicole, would you be so kind as to give more details about the meeting on Sept. 8 at 7 PM at the library if you could?  I think it is worth sharing.  Thank you!
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I have a question for those who are supportive of such a large animal program...

who pays for it? There are 180,000 people in Anderson County. Maybe 3000 of them own large animals. Why should the vast majority bear the burden of paying for such a program? Why not put a license fee on all large animals, thus generating the necessary money to pay for the related community support? Then funnel all fines assessed against negligent owners back into the program as well.

I think the same solution should also be applied to the animal shelter, btw...

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Palmetto Native, I understand your thoughts.  However, I am also aware of a situation last year.  Union County, not Anderson County.  Two horses got out of a fence, onto highway.  No way to get help in time because folks kept trying to see who would take charge.  Bottom line - man in a small car hit the two horses.

One horse died right off the bat, other later.  So sad.  BUT it was way worse.

One horse landed on top of the man's car.  He was in his mid-30s.  He died.  Leaving a wife and small children. 

IF Anderson County has a plan in place, would it prevent such a tragedy?  I truly do not know.  Maybe time would not allow it - sometimes these things happen so fast, there is no way out.   BUt if it were my husband or my child in the car, I would hope that we would have a way to look out for it. 

How much do you think that young man's life is (WAS) worth??? 

This is not asking the population of our county to pay for others.  It is asking for support for protecting us.  Just as we prevent, hopefully, drunk drivers. 

 

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I have a question for those who are supportive of such a large animal program...

who pays for it? There are 180,000 people in Anderson County. Maybe 3000 of them own large animals. Why should the vast majority bear the burden of paying for such a program? Why not put a license fee on all large animals, thus generating the necessary money to pay for the related community support? Then funnel all fines assessed against negligent owners back into the program as well.

I think the same solution should also be applied to the animal shelter, btw...


-palmetto-native



I used to think that licensing fees are the appropriate way to raise money for animal control and the animal shelter. But then I came to understand that only responsible animal owners will pay the license fees, and they are not the ones causing a need for county-provided animal services.

It's irresponsible animal owners, ones who allow their animals to breed indiscriminately and run loose and fail to provide the minimum standards of care for their animals, that cause the county to pass animal control ordinances and to create the animal control and animal shelter departments. These people are unlikely to pay license fees and will deny that an animal is theirs when confronted, instead letting the animal be confiscated....'cause, they can just get another one at the Jockey Lot, or from their brother-in-law, or just steal one....and the County is left holding the bag.

If animal services are an equal tax burden on all citizens in the county, at least the irresponsible animal owners will pay something, and the responsible animal owners will pay less than a license fee. Even people that own no animals will get some benefit from the animal services if they have to call in a dog in their yard or a horse in the road or turn in their neighbor for starving a dog.

If you're not familiar with what an animal control officer or a shelter worker has to deal with every day, watch some of the shows on Animal Planet channel, especially the Houston, Miami, or Detroit Animal Cops shows. I can't imagine how they go to work every day.

Both State law and County ordinance specify what happens to fines collected from animal abuse cases. For violations of State cruelty laws, half the fine can be given to a non-profit organization if that organization was "materially involved in or aiding in the prosecution of the violation". Otherwise, I think it just goes into the County coffers.

Currently 100% of the budget for the animal control department and the animal shelter is for cats and dogs, and 100% of the $3.2 million for the new shelter is for cats and dogs. So, to answer your question, no one pays for a large animal program because there isn't one.

For large animals, specifically horses, there's a public-private partnership between the Sheriff's Department and PEARL. The Sheriff investigates and prosecutes, and PEARL picks up the pieces after horses are seized. The Sheriff has no additional budget for large animal services, and PEARL depends on donations from caring people in the community and the efforts of it's volunteer force.
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I don't know, why care? Anderson has yet to make the Drudge Report. Can't say that about Richland County & our State Dept of Ag.

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I don't know, why care? Anderson has yet to make the Drudge Report. Can't say that about Richland County & our State Dept of Ag.


-janedoe



Well, we haven't made Drudge over animals, but there was that "expired Sheriff's driver's license" incident....Wink
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I was at the Anderson library tonight at 7 pm,but no one showed for a meeting,did I miss something, or was the meeting changed?

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Hey, Nicole, I'm not surprised nutjob Ortis didn't show tonight, but where were all the PEARLs before the swine?

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I sincerely apologize to anyone that showed up at Anderson Library for the “animal rights” meeting sponsored by Dr. Capt. Leonardo Ortiz. I either had the date wrong or the meeting was canceled and I was not notified.

What is relevant is that just an hour prior to that time PEARL was asked to provide a veterinary field assessment to a county, this time Oconee. This could just as well have been Anderson, Pickens, Abbeville or any county in South Carolina.

On Friday; last week, while delivering feed and parasite control medication at the Oconee Shelter as well as basic horse care equipment for one old horse in their custody the ACO asked PEARL to assess and offer assistance to an Oconee County family down on their luck. When our first volunteer arrived she knew the issue was greater than being resolved with feed and hay. She correctly called the PEARL Board of Directors and our Vice Chair Nancy Traynum went out. At the invitation of a friend of the family she walked the property and took pictures.
PEARL submitted the report and a complaint to Oconee County Animal Control. At 1:30 this afternoon, we asked Dr. Alice Beretta to meet PEARL and the Oconee County Animal Control Officers at the location. What we found was discouraging. The wife of a now, disabled man had tried to maintain a large farm but once given the cost of rehabilitating her farm animals, (pot belly pigs, goats, donkeys and many horses, most pregnant) she agreed to surrender many of the animals to the county.
Thanks to friends of Oconee County, they were able to load the 11 starving pigs and 16 malnourished goats as well as half the horses onto a transport for relocation. The state veterinary office was contacted as one mare could not safely be caught and tested for Equine Infectious Anemia. We were granted a pass to the Oconee Animal Control Facility by Dr. Boyd Parr. These laws are both state and federally mandated so compliance is especially important.
In all, Dr, Alice Beretta lost five hours of her day to trying to help Oconee County with this case. Her immediate expenses are covered by PEARL but her regular clients were all asked for understanding and a later visit for the standard issues of equine care she is used to managing. At this time she is still catching up with the most important cases and needs from this day. She is still working, while I started this post and it’s midnight.
While we beg Anderson County to build a small but effective in-take facility for this kind of situation, we are amazed that they currently fail to respond with a "yes". Oconee County is commended for agreeing to accept in animals as a surrender case today. Their day ended trying to jockey goats and pigs to friends and family and how to divide very limited space at the shelter. All these animals came from JUST ONE FARM in trouble. All were malnourished and in need of vet care, parasite medication, a farrier and groceries.
I had to disinfect my car, shoes, floor mats, halters, lead ropes, unused lead lines and clothes so I did not pass on the obvious infestation of round worms and possible other infectious diseases to my herd.
The problem is real and still there is no talk of using the saving from the land donation to have a place where these animals could be taken. Had one person been there and saw the fresh manure wriggling with worms, they would have a full understanding why a quarantine facility is needed.
I’ll find Dr. Ortiz and ask what happened to the meeting. Again I apologize. Some good came out of it, I had dinner downtown after a long sweaty day figuring out how to catch horses no one has ever touched, just left in a field to get pregnant & starve.

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I am so sorry Rino, I showed up and disrupted the two meeting going on then had security call the other libraries to find out if it had been moved. I will call Dr. Capt Ortiz and ask. As I said, dinner at Jax was a good end to a long day.

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No problem,Nicole,Let me know when, and if the meeting is re-scheduled and I`ll try to be there.

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The pigs and goats were not all surrendered because Oconee County simple ran out of space and time.
If anyone can help them with a herd of starved pot belly pigs then please call the Oconee County Shelter and let them know that, same for goats.
The horses are being taken care of. They have two pregnant paint ponies that need homes and the stallion. We are providing feed and de-wormers for them however, they can’t remain in the little space Oconee has for a prolonged period of time.
I hope someone in Anderson is paying attention to this as PETA has gotten involved once it became known the animals are starved and still remain in the same conditions they were found. The problem facing Oconee is what we are asking that we plan for not find outside pressure to resolve. There is no time like the present to fix what is broken while you have the money and space.

Nicole Walukewicz

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Good luck - the Oconee County Officers had been there many times. Freinds of the family "in the system" stopped prior action. You get someone like PETA to ask questions and things happen. Too bad it's all after the fact not pro-actively. Good luck!

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If there's a way for a horse to get itself into trouble...


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