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Thats quite a conservative figure isn't it?  And whom will be providing the large animal care anyways?  Dr. Burris isn't quite up to doing so, and that otherwise entails hiring another vet with large animal skills and experience. A trailer for transport is also required for them,is it not? Think the numbers are being skewed a bit here.    Besides, not one single dog/cat/squirrel has lasted a year at the shelter unless it's personally being cared for by staff at their own risk and investment.  Usual lifespan at the shelter is under 30 days, most times around five days. Care for them runs around $2.00 a day if that ( most food is donations, and cleaning is done by inmates), and those requiring  ANY medical care get the needle to the heart and plastic trash bag treatment. I think a disservice to those horses is also being done with a acre for their use.  I own an acre lot, and I surely cannot put more than 3 animals in that allotment of space!  It was mentioned around 4-6 horses per month are taken in, averaging a stay of 45-60 days each. That says to me the costs for them would amount to $800. per month for four without major medical expenses, or $28,800 for a year for an average of four per month. Wonder if that is also included in budget discussions.  $28K sure feeds and spays a lot of smaller animals.

 


-wyatt1sc



I was speaking of the cost of having a healthy horse in your back yard:

For a 1000 pound horse, no pasture:

2% of body weight of hay per day = 20 lbs/day = 146 50lb bales/year @ $7/bale = $1,022/year

6 lbs complete feed/day = 44 50lb bags/year @ $15/bag = $660/year

1 dewormer/quarter @ $10 each = $40/year

Spring innoculations + farm call = $165

Fall innoculations + farm call + teeth floating = $265

Farrier every 6 weeks @ $35/visit = $315/year

Total: $2,467/year

If you have pasture, you can reduce feed and eliminate hay during the summer, but you have to fertilize and mow, so it's really a wash.

So, no, it's not a conservative estimate.

As to PEARL's agreement with the Sheriff's department, I don't know. I think Ms. Walukewicz has said that PEARL will continue to pay all the expenses as they have in the past, and the volunteers will continue to care for the horses as they have in the past.

I also believe Ms. Walukewicz said that PEARL had cared for 34 horses over 18 months or so, and not all of those came from Anderson County.

You are correct that small paddocks are not optimal for a horse to live in,  but it would only be until the vet certified that the horse is disease and parasite free. A coggins test takes 10 days to get the results; a complete deworming regimen takes a minimum of 3 weeks, so, assuming all goes well, in 4 weeks a horse can then be moved to a foster home.

In addition, you can kill a starved horse by giving it access to a pasture full of grass; refeeding must be done in small increments several times a day. A small paddock with little or no grass is perfect for this.

As I said before, there currently are more adoptive homes for horses than there are horses to adopt, so it's not necessary to euthanize them except for behavior or health issues.

Who knows what the future will hold, however.... Time Magazine, May 28, 2008: An Epidemic of Abandoned Horses.
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Interesting! Of all the blogs in the Local Forum the one about animals far out shines all the others in shear numbers of responses. Think people around here might be concerned about the animals?

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Farrier every 6 weeks @ $35/visit = $315/year
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-stringcheese


CHEESE- who is your farrier?
Ours charges $80 for shoes - when he is sober :-)
Or is that just for a trim?

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Good point Kilkenny. The number of responses that the poll on the AIM received shows a county interest in this as well. I posted the results a page back.

Thank you,
Nicole

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In fairness, animals tend to be more interesting and "human" than most humans are.

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So what happens when we find ourself over flowing with abandoned, sick unadoptable horses? 

 Its not like it wont happen....cause just like the shelter...the "good" ones will get "rescued" to someones farm..leaving us to care for the unwanted ones

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"So what happens when we find ourself over flowing with abandoned, sick unadoptable horses?"

you put them to sleep and be done with it.
OMG will their ever be and end to the horses?

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CHEESE- who is your farrier?
Ours charges $80 for shoes - when he is sober :-)
Or is that just for a trim?

-g-papadopolis



Yah, just a trim. If you're not riding it then shoes are probably not required. If you are riding it, then $2,400/year is just a drop in the bucket!
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"So what happens when we find ourself over flowing with abandoned, sick unadoptable horses?"

you put them to sleep and be done with it.
OMG will their ever be and end to the horses?


-mr-hankey-the-d


Yes, if adoptive homes dry up, then euthanasia becomes an option, just like for dogs and cats.
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Good question Palmetto Native

The American Association of Equine Professionals has guidelines for "rescues" and "retirement" facilities.

If you go to the link found below and open page 24 you will see that this is provided for.

http://www.aaep.org/pdfs/rescue_retirement_guidelines.pdf

There are sanctuaries for the unwanted and I suppose that avenue could be looked at however they are for the most part full. The cost of shipping must be considered. If you can find a sanctuary then raising funds for shipping might be an option.

PEARL is not a sanctuary and beyond keeping our own horses until the end, have no plans of becoming one.

g-papadopolis - Paul Harrison takes on our rescues - 864-650-3377. Also in our area are Chris Bowen 864-940-2996 or Shawn Ellis 864-650-4542 Hope that helps. My farrier comes from Greenwood and is not taking more clients. We have him taking a wide circle around Greenwood every six to seven weeks.

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Good question Palmetto Native

The American Association of Equine Professionals has guidelines for "rescues" and "retirement" facilities.

If you go to the link found below and open page 24 you will see that this is provided for.

http://www.aaep.org/pdfs/rescue_retirement_guidelines.pdf

There are sanctuaries for the unwanted and I suppose that avenue could be looked at however they are for the most part full. The cost of shipping must be considered. If you can find a sanctuary then raising funds for shipping might be an option.

PEARL is not a sanctuary and beyond keeping our own horses until the end, have no plans of becoming one.

g-papadopolis - Paul Harrison takes on our rescues - 864-650-3377. Also in our area are Chris Bowen 864-940-2996 or Shawn Ellis 864-650-4542 Hope that helps. My farrier comes from Greenwood and is not taking more clients. We have him taking a wide circle around Greenwood every six to seven weeks.

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Nicole---Keep up the good work. In the Bible Genesis 1,26 gives man dominion over every living creature and in 1,30 He has given "green herb for food" to every living thing. Obviously He does not expect us to let them just die. So to all who profess to be good Christians, it would be very difficult to argue against animal protection,unless there is a hypocrite or two out there. Nah, that can't be!

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Nicole---Keep up the good work. In the Bible Genesis 1,26 gives man dominion over every living creature and in 1,30 He has given "green herb for food" to every living thing. Obviously He does not expect us to let them just die. So to all who profess to be good Christians, it would be very difficult to argue against animal protection,unless there is a hypocrite or two out there. Nah, that can't be!

-kilkenny

Yes, that is often quoted to me by someone justifying their poor treatment of an animal. I consider that a responsibility given to us and one we will have to answer for. A quick death is better than slowly being starved to death.

That blind pony found on a shoal of the Saluda River two years ago is being trained as a therapy pony for disabled children. The old horse we took off the F. Van Clayton Highway in Pickens is a babysitter for weaned foals. We have had good luck finding homes for even some of the challenged ones.

Thanks!

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"So what happens when we find ourself over flowing with abandoned, sick unadoptable horses?"

you put them to sleep and be done with it.OMG will their ever be and end to the horses?

-mr-hankey-the-d

Quick solution hank, don't read this forum. Quick answer, no.

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Who knows what the future will hold, however.... Time Magazine, May 28, 2008: An Epidemic of Abandoned Horses.

-stringcheese


Stringcheese. This article is right on point. This week PEARL has received three calls from people looking for solutions for older horses they cannot afford to feed. An older horse in a week can cost the same that feeding two younger horses costs for two weeks. We have offered the names of every sanctuary and retirement homes we found close to South Carolina. We have not been finding many that have space or resources to take on more horses. None of the callers want to euthanize these horses or sell them at auction and have them bought by a kill buyer. Sometimes euthanasia is their last choice but as we all know it is very difficult to do and the cost of euthanasia and a backhoe can be very expensive as well.

The cost of feed has double since we moved up here in 2004. Hay was $3.50 to $4.00 a bale, it is currently $7.00 or more. Your comment about the cost of fertilizing was also correct a bag of triple 18 was $9.50 two years ago and has doubled in the same time. In a drought you can fertilize and still not have pasture. We irrigated half out pastures for a month and found the cost prohibitive; hay would have cost less. We hedged our bets and bought hay early this summer for our personal horses and PEARL put back 100 bales for rescue horses.

All the rescues we communicate with have greater concerns than last winter because we are still in a drought and the economy is in a deep recession with high unemployment. We have asked our volunteers to look for qualified adoptive homes in anticipation of needing them. We have two available and a home for #34 as well. She can be adopted after her final assessment, vaccinations and treatment we hope to have complete by next week. To give you an idea of rehabilitating a horse, she eats 9 pounds of feed a day. That's a bag every five days at $14.50 per bag. Seminole donates the first 30 days of feed for seizures or surrender cases managed by law enforcement which alleviates some of the burden from our group. An indicator that this is a serious problem being faced in many states is that when we began; Seminole offered feed for the first 90 days of rehabilitation. There are so many horses in the program, Seminole had to reduce the number of days they support each horse.
 
Last year we know our farmers had hay supply problems and we have concerns for them again this winter. The times are so difficult for many families and difficult choices are being made by everyone. As Sheriff Crenshaw said, "If it comes down to feeding your kids or your horses, which one do you think will win out?" Of course that is as it should be but the ones that suffer are the focus of our concern.


http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_091008_news_horse_auction.63c5fd5f.html

This article pretty much states what is happening all over our country as options for owners are slowly disappearing.
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The price of everything has doubled or tripled. Feed, fertilizer, and hay. My farrier adds a trip fee in lieu of raising his price to offset the cost of diesel.

The drought caused the need for much more hay than usual this summer. Normally, I would not even have to feed hay, but I've already been through 11 round bales (1000 - 1200 lbs each);the number of horses varied between 3 and 5. And it just keeps getting worse. The little rain we have had is literally 'only a drop in the bucket.'

With the recession, qualified homes for the rescue/surrendered horses are going to become more difficult to find. And places to put rescued horses until their health can be ascertained will be impossible. We definitely (and desperately) need an intake facility.

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Welcome to the forum, dzc.

In the immortal words of Gracie Floyd....."Oh, the horses...*sigh*"
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so again....its the responsibility of all the taxpayers to deal with the dirty secret of owning horses that are no longer wanted by the few that can afford to own them?
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so again....its the responsibility of all the taxpayers to deal with the dirty secret of owning horses that are no longer wanted by the few that can afford to own them?

-palmetto-native


The same question can be asked about dogs and cats.

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You must also be against the 3.2 million dollars for the new cat and dog shelter plus the 600K to run that department that deals with "the dirty secret" of owning cats and dogs that "are no longer wanted" p-n. We also pay for "the dirty secret" of degenerate kids whose parents didn't want to teach morals and social skills or make them finish school and get jobs - - in our jails and court systems don’t we?
You keep missing the point the tax payers have to shoulder the burden of paying for the police who in turn have to enforce these laws as well as any other; you just don't get it that they don't have a place to put the animals. The shelter is ONLY to be for cats and dogs according to the Glen’s. (I love how they dictate what the shelter our tax dollars is building will be used for based on a land donation) So far the Sheriff has enforced the laws on the back of a small group of people at no expense to the tax payers. If you agree that's a good idea then cut the Animal Shelter and let the Humane Society deal with the cats and dogs. Oh I forgot - - the taxpayers are paying to build that group a low cost spay neuter clinic. Now you have a 501C3 benefitting from our tax dollars. So one 501C3 get’s the benefit of tax dollars while the Sheriff doesn’t even get a place to put the animals they have to deal with. That makes sense - huh?
The county needs to have the facilities to handle all the "dirty secrets" law enforcement or the Pet Patrol have to clean up. What's your idea, let them starve to death in a field and ignor it? Gotta love the Gracie Floyd thoughts on that.

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