Well dumbbuggy. I am a yankee and damn proud of it.I really dont have time on my hands as I am busy trying to help sfind answers to problems that people like you just sit around and moan about. Really what the hell does me being a yankee have to do with anything? Grow up!!!!!!!!!!!
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Anderson's Animals
Thank you to everyone who took the time to respond to the poll conducted by the AIM on line; "Do you believe there is a need for a publicly funded facility for large animals that are rescued in Anderson County?"
We were troubled by the wording as it could have been interpreted incorrectly. It is the Sheriff's Office that is responsible for the "rescue" of these large animals that fall under their jurisdiction by South Carolina law. Thanks in large part to the timely piece Ms. Liz Carey had written on this issues the readers obviously understood the real problems and voted a resounding "yes", the Sheriff needs a facility to take these animals to just as Animal Control has a county supported facility to take the cats and dogs they "rescue" to.
There were 247 total votes the last time I looked
yes 60% 149 votes
no 28% 70 votes
Would need more information 11% 28 votes
Again, thank you to all who voted it shows this is an issue that is being considered in our county.
Nicole
Dune, I think there are several of us "know it all yankees" on here. But that has nothing to do with the issue.
Anyone who deals with horses knows they can get expensive quickly. I am one of the biggest animal lovers there are, but I have to say; I would rather tie up the money needed to save a horse, on a child. Sorry, but the costs are similar and I put a child first. And there are just as many of them who need help.
"Dune, I think there are several of us "know it all yankees" on here. But that has nothing to do with the issue.
Anyone who deals with horses knows they can get expensive quickly. I am one of the biggest animal lovers there are, but I have to say; I would rather tie up the money needed to save a horse, on a child. Sorry, but the costs are similar and I put a child first. And there are just as many of them who need help.
"-confused
It costs about $2,400 per year to properly feed a horse, and provide vet and farrier care.
SC, I'm confused as to what your point is. I know we could house and feed a group of children at $2400 each. I will supply the building and care.(Also isn't your figure for a healthy horse and one without a shelter?)
I was merely stating what it costs to take care of a horse for a year. Now you know.
In this part of South Carolina it doesn't get cold enough for healthy horses to need shelter; they develop a winter coat that keeps them warm. During the summer they need protection from the sun during the hottest months of the year, but a shade tree is fine.
Sick horses cost more to take care of, as do sick children.
But, since you said this earlier:
"I would rather tie up the money needed to save a horse, on a child. Sorry, but the costs are similar and I put a child first. And there are just as many of them who need help."
Let me ask you this; would you rather spend $3.2 million on a new animal shelter or on the children?
In this part of South Carolina it doesn't get cold enough for healthy horses to need shelter; they develop a winter coat that keeps them warm. During the summer they need protection from the sun during the hottest months of the year, but a shade tree is fine.
Sick horses cost more to take care of, as do sick children.
But, since you said this earlier:
"I would rather tie up the money needed to save a horse, on a child. Sorry, but the costs are similar and I put a child first. And there are just as many of them who need help."
Let me ask you this; would you rather spend $3.2 million on a new animal shelter or on the children?
SC, so then why would Nicole need a shelter? Wasn't that her point? ( I pretty much knew the cost of horses, my roommate in college was an equestrian major and housed her horse on campus.) And sorry but a sick child and a sick horse can be quite different things. I pay more for my DOG or CAT when they're sick than I do for myself.
You add on like I do. 3.2 million for a shelter -- I find unreasonable. Just like I have questioned all county spending. I think we need a new shelter, but I want to see justification for the cost.SC, so then why would Nicole need a shelter? Wasn't that her point? ( I pretty much knew the cost of horses, my roommate in college was an equestrian major and housed her horse on campus.) And sorry but a sick child and a sick horse can be quite different things. I pay more for my DOG or CAT when they're sick than I do for myself.
-confused
As I understand it she is asking the county to fence 1 acre of land into several small paddocks so that the Sheriff has somewhere to keep animals until they can be certified free of disease and parasites, after which they can be sent to foster homes for rehabilitation. This way mares can be separated from stallions, weaker horses can be separated from more aggressive horses, etc. I don't know what the separation requirements might be for cattle, pigs, or goats, emus, llamas, buffalo, etc.
The only "shelter" might be a roofed area with stalls, perhaps, or a storage building for food and equipment.
As to your original question, we don't have to choose between children and animals, we can do both.
SC, sorry but that's not what I saw(your first part). As to the second part, I think we should combine the elderly, homeless,children AND animals to come up with the best solution. They're all compatible and even improve when they're together.
SC, sorry but that's not what I saw(your first part).-confused
What did you see?
It costs about $2,400 per year to properly feed a horse, and provide vet and farrier care.-stringcheese
Thats quite a conservative figure isn't it? And whom will be providing the large animal care anyways? Dr. Burris isn't quite up to doing so, and that otherwise entails hiring another vet with large animal skills and experience. A trailer for transport is also required for them,is it not? Think the numbers are being skewed a bit here. Besides, not one single dog/cat/squirrel has lasted a year at the shelter unless it's personally being cared for by staff at their own risk and investment. Usual lifespan at the shelter is under 30 days, most times around five days. Care for them runs around $2.00 a day if that ( most food is donations, and cleaning is done by inmates), and those requiring ANY medical care get the needle to the heart and plastic trash bag treatment. I think a disservice to those horses is also being done with a acre for their use. I own an acre lot, and I surely cannot put more than 3 animals in that allotment of space! It was mentioned around 4-6 horses per month are taken in, averaging a stay of 45-60 days each. That says to me the costs for them would amount to $800. per month for four without major medical expenses, or $28,800 for a year for an average of four per month. Wonder if that is also included in budget discussions. $28K sure feeds and spays a lot of smaller animals.
SC, duh, you weren't discussing a shelter, were ya?
Wyatt, I found the cost very conservative, but I was being nice.
I would encourage those wanting this shelter AND the horse deal inquire about procuring the old Quality tractor supply chain link fencing and metal roofing when the new Lowes is built. The fencing could enclose the horses, the metal roofing and supports could help shelter them, and the savings cost would encourage this to happen......
Wy, that's funny you would say that because I always wondered why the shelter didn't just move there.
I dunno why the years before the Lowes announcement that NOBODY from any county agency took over that prime parcel. A County consolidation center could have easily been done there like greenville has, with family court, assessors offices, tax, voters, personnel, county council, the whole gamut in one stop. LOTS of parking, easy access and available for a song! Yeah, sure the shelter could have gone there, still could take over the Winn Dixie across the street ( where AARON'S used to be). I dunno what motivates these people any more. Guess it takes a free donation to get stuff moving. HEY, MAYBE NICOLE COULD TAKE THAT SITE OVER FOR ALL THE HORSIES?!?!
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SC, I'm confused as to what your point is. I know we could house and feed a group of children at $2400 each. I will supply the building and care.(Also isn't your figure for a healthy horse and one without a shelter?)-confused
First our county does not have the luxury of deciding which laws they are going to enforce. They have no option. Please read the Title 47 Laws to understand what the Sheriff has to do.
Stringchees was telling you the cost to properly care for a horse, many people manage for less and some just starve them. The point is, the county does not expect to have a horse for a year. Once they have permanent custody, if the horse can be rehabilitated, it goes up for adoption. The longest we have had a horse that the Sheriff seized was 4 months. All the costs were donated. We have offered to continue this relationship with the Sheriff's Office but asked that they have a place to take them until they are found to be free of illness and have been cleaned out of parasites. Once they have their negative coggins and shots they can safely go to a foster home. In lengthy court cases where owner might want to dispute the seizure, the court can require they post a feed bond and pay the vet bills. This usually result in the owner turning the horse over to the county and then they are cleaned up and adopted. The owner can still face charges for the Title 47 law violations. These are separate issues.
SO the cost you want to donate to the children is really not an expense the county has ever paid. If there are fines, 50% of the fines if collected could be ordered to those who material helped with the prosecution. Whether rehabilitation of the animal is part of the prosecution or not is up to the Judge. I think that's where Wyatt1 & Angelsc get confused about fines. We have never collected any money to recover our expenses from court ordered and collected fines.
Perhaps if you think about like this it will help. Animal Control collects dogs and cats that are loose or abused, etc. The county provides that department with space at the shelter to house them until the case is herd. By law they have to provide certain vet care and food. The Sheriff has the same problems for every animal other than cats and dogs. The Sheriff's Office needs space to to put these animals until they have clear ownership and the animals can be disposed of meaning adopted or euthanized upon vet recommendation.
We're glad to answer questions. I can put the plan we offered as a suggestion up on a the web for you if you would like. It isn't written in stone that is what has to be built. It was our suggestion on how to potentially address a problem.
As far as I am concerned, there is a lovely pasture near the Sheriff's Office that is used as a parking lot once or twice a year. We could have a lovely petting zoo and bring attention to the county agricultural animals we have here and even spot light some of the more exotics on a lending basis. We would like to incorporate that into the shelter as a drew for families and possible adoption homes for cats and dogs but that is also on the drawing board. We work with county officials to resolve this issue and that is not currently including the County Council members.
If you would like to see our idea of an "in-take facility" please let me know and I will post a link.
I hope this helps. Please do not hesitate to ask any questions you have concerning what PEARL does and can do and what the issues are that the county as tried to resolve under the current circumstances as well as what we think we need to do to be more effective.
Regards,
Nicole
NW,
The current proposals for land near the Sheriff's department is for the legally-required new jail. This is from "the horses' mouths". There is a mandate to increase the jail before the Feds step in. I don't think putting animals & kids near the jail is such a hot idea either. Incorporate that petting zoo idea at the new shelter site, where a need for animal exposure is better served.
Confused, watch your mail now,you will soon be receiving a booklet explaining what Pearl does & so on. I really laughed my butt off this weekend when I receiived mail from Nicole. First of all Nicole I know what Pearl does & I have always said they do a good job. What point were you trying to prove by mailing me that? Thanks for the laugh anyways.
As I have said before & I will say it again... I have NEVER knocked Pearl for what they do,I only get pissed at you for trying to turn this whole thing into a bitchfest!!! I know what you have been told & because you dont get what you want right away you turn it into a big mess. Remember all good things come to those who wait... I am sureevryone would like to see a large holding area,and I am positive they will,but not as long as you continue bad mouthing the people who can make it possible. Sure you can copy and paste this to Cindy,I really dont care!!!!
Angelsc I am glad you found the guidelines our vets follow for euthanizing a horse something you could "laugh your butt off this weekend" over. Your past posts showed a total lack of understanding of what rules the vets and PEARL follow. I am glad you appreciate what PEARL does. Perhaps you could focus on that and leave the personal attacks out of it? Thank you.
As for anyone else, we will be glad to forward the information, guidelines and procedures PEARL has followed to offer law enforcement the best chance at winning cruelty cases by following such stringent guidelines, documenting the progress, and all medical treatment so they can show intent and cause at trial if that is the outcome.
Nicole
Okay Ms.all that this is just what i am talking about.You take something that was said and twist it to suit your warped little pea brain. Let me put this in english for you, It was not the context of the book I laughed at,It was the idea that you really thought you had to send it to me. Gez,get off your high horse..
