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In a conversation with members of the ultra conservative side of Anderson County, the following comments were made:

• We do not want Mr. Joey Preston fired. We simply want him to acknowledge our presence and be accountable to the New Council. However, we wonder if he can make this giant leap.
• Our lack of trust in Mr. Joey Preston pales in comparison to our lack of trust in Mr. Ron Wilson. We worked tirelessly to elect him, and he violated our trust and disrespected our views. We expect him to be a minority of one in the new Council.
• Some believe that Ms. Gracie Floyd is unbeatable. However, our next goal is to focus all our attention and energy to prove them wrong.
• Although we do believe that Ms. Cindy Wilson deserves the position of Chairman in the new Council, we think that her way of expressing her views can be very divisive. So, we believe that Mr. Bob Waldrep would be a preferred option.
• Mr. Ron Wilson call for an audit, regardless of the cost, was hypocritical and unwise. We need a limited audit, focused on a few departments.
• Our potential support of the Capital Project Sales Tax for upgrading roads and bridges will have to wait on the results of the audit. We want to know first how our money is being spent, before we support a tax increase.

Posted: July 25, 20:50.

fanatic - admin
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That doesn't sound "ultra-conservative" to me. It sounds like they're willing to take a measured look at most of these issues, rather than the slash-and-burn approach their ultra-liberal critics think they're planning.
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So now the Cindi-clones..AKA "old" taxpayers association...AKA Rick Driver fans have added another title to hide behind to swell thir perceived ranks...

"Members of the ultra consrvative side"

You cant call the same group of people by a different title...

I seriously doubt that any of this group is different from the mmebrship of any of the other groups.... at least those that support positive group and progressiv mentalities dont try and change their name every so often.

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611 posts

Palmetto-Native, oh boy, have you stuck your foot into your mouth when you said "You cant call the same group of people by a different title..."

There are numerous Democrats calling themselves Republicans but they remain true to every Democratic goal.  Locally, we know some of them as: Raymond Mackay, Ron Wilson, Michael Thompson, Bill McAbee and Larry Greer.  There are many more and they are called RINOs.

And I'm sure some good Republicans call themselves Ultra Conservative when they are actually just Conservative.  Like me.  On some issues I'm UC and on other issues I'm just C.  There are no liberal Republicans to my knowledge. 

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611 posts

Art, This sometimes ultra conservative and sometimes conservative Republican will disagree on some of your findings.

.. We want the King, Joey Ray Preston, fired and run out of town within the first quarter of 2009.  We want to keep track of where he moves so we can 'recall' him to answer questions when we get a full audit.

.. Our lack of trust is the same for Ron 'Benedict Arnold' Wilson and King Joey Ray Preston.  There is no trust in either of them.  That's ZERO trust.

.. I agree with most.  Gracie 'Funny' Floyd is beatable and we will do it in November.

.. Agree with balance of your findings.

.. Need to add some more names to those that will be in the unemployment line but I wont do it now.

 

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Beating Gracie . . . in November . . . in a General Election . . . with HEAVY VOTER TURNOUT expected COMPOUNDED with HEAVY DEMOCRATIC VOTER REGISTRATION EFFORTS . . . have you lost your mind?

No, thats right too. You think that the dynamic of June 10th will apply again come November. It's a 2-to-1 victory FOR Gracie, on a bad day, in three feet of snow. There will be a lot of Democrats out for the General Election - dems that will very likely vote straight party.

You will see a change all right . . . the change train is rolling on - but it's change for the Dems.

For what its worth, not giving Cindy the Chairmanship is a slap in the face to her and her constituents. As much as I don't like the woman, she will be entering her ninth year of service. In any other elected body of represenatives, she would be Chairman.

Art - It's nice to know that Dan "I look like John Kerry and I let all sorts of outside money from New Your City "buy" me" Harvell has "conservative" talking points. If he and others from the far-right wingnut division of the party would actually put the needs of the many ahead of the needs of the few or the one, people would support them. To date, they only support themselves and their radical agenda.

Time will tell . . .

 

- SSHM

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“prevail5 hours, 19 minutes ago permalink
Art, This sometimes ultra conservative and sometimes conservative Republican will disagree on some of your findings.
.. We want the King, Joey Ray Preston, fired and run out of town within the first quarter of 2009. We want to keep track of where he moves so we can 'recall' him to answer questions when we get a full audit.
.. Our lack of trust is the same for Ron 'Benedict Arnold' Wilson and King Joey Ray Preston. There is no trust in either of them. That's ZERO trust.
.. I agree with most. Gracie 'Funny' Floyd is beatable and we will do it in November.
.. Agree with balance of your findings.
.. Need to add some more names to those that will be in the unemployment line but I wont do it now.”

Prevail,

Most ultra conservatives in Anderson County do realize that Mr. Joey Preston greatest talent is hiring the right people for the right jobs. If we lose Mr. Preston, we will also lose his team, of the best and the brightest. In addition, good people will not want to work for our county, in fear of the political climate.

I do expect the New Council to be assertive and demanding of greater openness and transparency. However, for the sake of the County moving forward, I do expect them to be reasonably supportive of the County Administration.

In District 2, Gracie Floyd is Royal. However, I am not completely sure that she will run for another term.

Posted: July 26, 13:30.

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Art, it is the responsibility of the County Administrator to find a way to be supportive of and get along with County Council. It is not the other way around.

And, as for those "good people" who "will not want to work for our county" because of the political climate, I would quickly remind those who are already on the payroll that giving those jobs up over politics would be foolhardy. They may not realize it, what with their higher-than-average pay a better-than-average benefits, but TIMES ARE TOUGH OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

As for Gracie Floyd, I have no idea if she's going to seek another term when her seat come up for re-election. But if she runs, she'll win. She's like Cindy Wilson on the other side of the political spectrum: Bulletproof.

 (To the duller knives in the drawer among us, "bulletproof" is a figure of speech ... don't misinterpret it.)

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JDTippett,

The relation between the County Council and the County Administration is a two-way street. Council members have been elected by the people, which is a privilege that comes with mandates and responsibilities. And the County officials have been recruited by the Administrator, who have duties and rights. However, both groups are human beings, who need support and encouragement to function effectively.

For the sake of our community’s future, I hope that all members of both sides will focus their energy and attention on serving, rather than being served. Furthermore, I hope that residents of both political aisles will find a way to settle their differences in a positive manner and examine the issues through facts, not ideology.

I am cautiously optimistic that the New Council will achieve both goals of greater government transparency and a progressive move forward.

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I suspect that a house cleaning that started in June with the Voters, will not be finished until JP and his crew are cleared out by the New Council.

That is if CW has the Power most believe she now has.

CW has taken too many right uppercuts in the past to let by-gones be.

Two things could change that.

1. CW does not have the following.

2. Public outcry on behalf of JP.

I think for # 2 to take place, we would need 18 inches of rain before January and JP would have to prove he made it happen.

Wink

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A Venter,

My expectations of Ms. Cindy Wilson’s support from the New Council can be summarized as follows:

• Mr. Bob Waldrep support for Ms. Wilson is strong, but not blind. His voting record does not always lock step with Cindy’s votes.
• Ms. Gracie Floyd, if she chooses to run, is the strongest in her opposition to Ms. Wilson.
• Mr. Eddie Moore, who is probably the most conservative member, is planning to demand an audit and greater transparency. His level of support for Ms. Wilson will depend on what the audit will reveal.
• Mr. Tom Allen is probably the most moderate conservative on Council. He is also planning to demand an audit and greater transparency. His support of Ms. Wilson will depend on each issue.
• Mr. Tom Dunn is a member of very conservative values and very progressive ideas for moving forward. His support for an audit and greater transparency is strong. However, his support for the Administration could be just as strong.
• Mr. Ron Wilson’s dislike for Ms. Wilson is deep. So, his support for Ms. Wilson’s positions will be very limited.

The deciding factor for the overall support for Ms. Cindy Wilson or Mr. Joey Preston will depend mostly on how each of them can adjust to the new Council dynamics. Since Ms. Wilson believes very deeply in her position, I do not expect her to change much. However, I do expect Mr. Preston to make significant changes in his methods of communication.

Posted: July 26, 22:00.

superstar - member
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I'll just make a quick comment and return to my hibernation. JD made an interesting comment earlier that part of the administrator's job is to get along with the council and do (within the law) as the council directs. That's not a quote - but I think the gist of the point. Right.

And until the council changes direction, he has done just that. Come January if the change everyone expects is realized, he might be much more forthcoming with information. It seems to me that a big part of him "withholding" information has been at the direction of the MAJORITY of the council members.

Ever heard the phrase, "damned if you do, damned if you don't"?

I've basically supported Preston on the grounds of innocent until proven guilty. There have been times where he has appeared a little too smug about Council's decisions NOT to provide certain types of information. But based on Cindy's harassment of him and his employees - it's not surprising that he took a defensive position.

If the council appears antagonistic in the new year, I would expect him to preempt a dismissal by quiting. I would expect many of his staff to do the same. The economy is not that bad in all sectors and people with technical skills like accountants and city managers are not going through a recession.

I am encouraged that people Art is talking to are not still calling for a full, every line, forensic (whatevertheheckyouwanttocallit) audit. But if there are suspected abuses in specific departments or areas - let the audit begin. With the budget overruns in Police in recent years that would be a reasonable area and I would expect a call for a deeper look at Econ Development as well.

I should also say I am enjoying the fighting between Ron Wilson and Cindy and her supporters. I just wish they were fighting for the right reasons.

Bye Bye.

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Art, I don't  understand your comment "if Gracie is running"  It is a widely know fact that she is running  for this term.  What is in question is ,should she win (and she will) if she will go for an additional term. I know for a fact that she was concerned that you were not at the last Council meeting.

Anderson Native, welcome back!  Don't hibernate now! Wait till all the shouting is over and the Democrats are back in power for more restful sleep. Wink
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Art,  you said "Most ultra conservatives in Anderson County do realize that Mr. Joey Preston greatest talent is hiring the right people for the right jobs. If we lose Mr. Preston, we will also lose his team, of the best and the brightest."

Again, let this sometimes ultra conservative and sometimes conservative beg to question you on your thinking here.  In my humble opinion Preston has gathered a group of backers that are simply 'yes' men and women to positions of authority in our county government.  Besides some of them being out of control spenders with our credit cards and taxpayer money others of them are totally unqualified to be in the positions they are in, including some 'consultants'.  I think Preston has done a very poor job of placing qualified people in authoritative positions.  Some seem to enjoy the lifestyle of the 'rich and famous' at taxpayer expense as they travel the world on our credit cards.  Some seem to believe that we should pay for their everyday lunches and night-time drinking and consider it as normal for them to spend as they please at our expense.

Some are good employees I'm sure, and some need to join Preston in his caravan when he departs Anderson County.  The brightest will remain and the 'yes sir Mr. Preston' group will be separated by the incoming Council.

 

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Prevail, you're an a55hole. My appologies to all the decent bloggers here. I am sufficiently educated and skilled to word my disregard for Prevail in a more tactful manner, but I simply don't think Prevail's worth the extra wear and tear on my brain. I have a high level of tolerance for much of the B.S. I sift through on this blog, but Prevail has absolutely no freakin' clue what he's talking about.

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Prevail just name one management level person you think is not qualified to hold their position in Anderson County and I'll call B.S. on you. Otherwise, shut your piehole or change the subject to somethng you do know about.

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611 posts

Drifter, it is very obvious that you are a Preston hired gun.  Question:  Are you a dept. head or a consultant?  Or possibly you are one of the original Gang Of Five?

Pack your bags and prepare to drift outta here with King Joe.  You are one of the problems in this county.

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OK Prevail, or is it Prevarication? In your usual form you ducked the question (hint: name one management level person at the county who does not have legitimate credentials to do their job) and tried to discount me as somebody who's supping at the trough. If you must know, I am neither a consultant nor a hired gun. I'm just an ordinary guy who is tired of people like you running down our community for kicks without any basis whatsoever.

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611 posts

Drifter, I am not running down our community.  I'm sure I have lived in this county longer than you and I love my county.  I am simply speaking out against the dictator form of county government that we have under Preston and I believe that he rewards those that will pledge their souls to him with high paying jobs and many other perks.  I know many county employees that refused to give their souls to Preston and they are dedicated and wonderful hard working people.  They know who I, and others, are speaking of when we associate certain employees with King Joe.  Rather than get into a fight of words by naming some of them, since they know who they are, we will just wait out the few months left before some sanity will return to this county.  I think most of them will leave on their on accord.

Feel free to name the department heads and any others that you believe are doing a great job for the county.

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Suffice it to say all. I've seen the kind of shameless political organizations you speak of. Places where the Administrator or whomever is in charge rotates his political cronies in and out of jobs: one day you're the personnel director and the next you're purchasing director. That does not happen at Anderson County. Most of the current department heads at Anderson County have degrees in their field or either worked their way through the ranks over many years (the latter is often better than the former). Because of your personal hatred of Joey Preston, you cannot acknowledge that on the whole, he assembled a competent organization. As for a rewards system for those are loyal to the organization and the BOSS, that is endemic in every organizational culture. How many of us reward those who subvert organizational goals and try to cut our throats? All employees at Anderson County have been rewarded with better pay and a more professional work environment during Joey Preston's tenure. Yet, job for job if you compare Anderson County salaries with County of similar size, we still lag behind other Counties. Some employees may be publicly a bit more defensive when confronted by people like you because they are tired of being slandered and having their motives questioned. Or perhaps their just tired of having their friends and their family (including small kids) as why those people on the radio or the newspaper say such mean things about you. For the most part, county employees just want to do their jobs and not be harassed by people like you.

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