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Perhaps we conservatives should launch a campaign to solve the worldwide food crisis the same way y'all want to solve the worldwide energy crisis: Let's not produce more food. Let's just ask people to eat LESS food and to replace traditional foodstocks with creative alternatives - like, maybe, SOYLENT GREEN.

We cannot simply CONSERVE our way out of the energy crisis, and as long as we are ignoring petroleum reserves we have in the United States, we remain, politically, at the mercy of a lot of countries that simply don't like us. AND, if we aren't willing to increase our domestic production, what right do we have to get upset when Saudi Arabia and other OPEC countries refuse to increase theirs?

I understand and appreciate environmentalism, Petunia. I am also a huge prooponent of recycling (I had a role in the creation and growth of Pickens County's recycling program back in the 1990s, you know.)

Unfortunately, many of those who are the strongest proponents of greassroots recycling efforts are also the same ones who cannot recognize that the oil company's job is to find oil, extract that oil, and market that oil. That their profits are currently at record HIGHS masks the fact that it is a very risk business. In fact, George W. Bush himself almost went bankrupt in Texas in the 1970s in the oil business in Texas.

The anti-capitalism/anti-industry mindset that seems to have overtaken American thinking in recent decades is a very disturbing trend in itself. We hear about how we can't open up more areas for drilling because it will benefit those "big evil oil companies" (who, yes, would benefit from that because THEY'RE THE ONES WHO DRILL FOR THE OIL.) We hear how those "big evil pharmaceutical companies" benefited from the addition of a prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients (who, yes, do benefit from that because THEY'RE THE ONES WHO MAKE AND MARKET THOSE PRESCRIPTION DRUGS.)

Why is it we never hear about those "big evil medical care providers" who hand you an over-the-counter Tylenol you can by off the shelf for a dime, then charge you $12 for it on your hospital bill and have the audacity to say drug prices and medical supply companies are driving up the cost of health care? Why is that every time the government tries to rein in their billing fraud and control prices, the government is criticized as cryel and uncaring? Why is it always those "big evil insurance companies" taking the rap for the fact that many people cannot afford insurance to pay for those unaffordable healthcare costs?

We need some consistency across the board, Petunia. If you're going to constantly criticize BIG OIL for the cost of gasolina that is making it rough on us, you need to jump on AnMed equally hard If you're going to jump on BIG OIL for wanting to find new sources of revenue by expanding their territory, you need to jump on the healthcare industrty for constantly striving to find new and creative tests to bill for and new and creative ways to bell for existing services.

And now, back to Governor Sanford. Sanford isn't unpopular with the S.C General Assembly because of any political ideology. Sanford is unpopular because he believes, like I do, that the Governor of South Carolina should be more than a figurehead. It doesn't matter if the Governor is a Democrat or a Republican (Diamond Jim Hodges was about as popular as ants at a picnic with lawmakers, too, you know.)

Let me give you a bit of South Carolina history, Petunia, that may put it into perspective for you. Some of this, you may know. Some of it, probably not. BUT IN THE CONTEXT I'M GIVING YOU, it may make more sense.

When South Carolina set out to draft a new State Constitution after the end of Reconstruction in 1877, there was much gnashing of teeth and furrowing of brows over the prospect because of the presences of hundreds of thousands of newly freed slaves who happened to have voting rights (forget, for a moment, the tactics that were used for the next 90 years or so to diminish those rights.

The most prominent politician of that era was a gentleman (I use the term loosely) by the name of Ben Tillman (nickname - "Pitchfork" Ben Tillman because he once went after a colleague with whom he disagreed with a pitchfork.) Tillman served in the S.C. Legislature, as governor, and in the U.S. House and Senate over his long and illustrious career. Tillman Hall at Clemson is named for him, which is far better than being given a watch and a pat on the back upon retirement, I guess.

Anyway, ol' Pitchfork Ben, an unreconstructed segregationist, and others of the time were afraid those newly enfranchised former slaves were in a position to put their voting force behind a political candidate, and they feared most the election of a black Governor or South Carolina. And THAT would have been a catastrophe for the white power base that thought they actually governed AND owned South Carolina.

With the Feds still watching like hawks despite the end of Reconstruction in 1877, they knew there was little they could do in a new S.C. Constitution (at least, little that would withstand Federal scrutiny) to disenfranchise those voters. But they were a clever lot.

When they drafted the S.C. Constitution of 1895, they made the S.C. Legislature supreme, reducing the role of the Governor to little more than a ceremonial office. Their reasoning was simple: Those blacks were concentrated specific areas of the state, mostly in the Lowcountry, and while they could EN MASSE possibly elect a governor in a statewide race, they could, at best, use their voting power to control perhaps 20 percent of the State House and State Senate.

That, Petunia, is why the Governor of South Carolina is one of the weakest Governors in the United States. It has nothing to do with his party. It has nothing to do with who he is. It has to do with Pitchfork Ben Tillman and his cohorts back in the late 1800s doing what they could to thwart a newly minted MAJORITY of South Carolinians who happened to have been the former PROPERTY of some of those same politicians.

People talk about how the Confederate Battle Flag that flies on that monument on the State House grounds is the most powerful remaining symbol of the racist South, where blacks had no power and no hope for power. They are wrong. The strong legislature/weak governor form of government we have in this state is the most poweful, most lasting, remnant of that Old South - which is why it constantly amuses me that liberals in this state PRAISE the system and conservatives like Kevin Bryant who want to change it are vilified.

Nowadays, while the racial dilution formula still works, the modern-day Senators and Representatives in the South Carolina legislature still use that very same process to dilute the will of the people. Its would not matter, really, got together and elected a Governor by a 4-1 margin. He would have little power to change the mindset in Columbia.

You see, we can change Governor's every four years if we want to. We can change representatives every two yeasrs, senators every four years. BUT IT TAKES DECADES TO CHANGE A MINDSET. The S.C. Legislature knows that.

And that is why the Governor of South Carolina NEVER get any significant respect from the General Assembly. Most of our Senators and Representatives are perfectly happy with that status quo, which is why so many who claim to be fiscal conservatives consistently vote to override the Governor's vetoes of spending bills.

A few, including Bryant and a few of the others who have been mentioned here today, are actually more sensitive to the wants of the people who elected them. And the irony of it is that some of those Senators and Representatives are sometimes likened to the very man - "Pitchfork" Ben Tillman - whose lingering legacy they are trying to erase.

Tillman wanted a weak Governor to avoid the possibility of a black man winning that office, so he directed that most power be vested with the General Assembly. Sanford critics are afraid that he may actually make some progress toward reining in state spending, so they cheer when the General Assembly thwarts him, then have the audacity to call him "ineffective."

South Carolina's government at the leve of Governor is ineffective BY DESIGN, Petunia. And those senators and representatives you cheer for overriding the vetoes of Sanford time after time are really not the heroes you make them out to be. In actuality, THEY'RE THWARTING THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA VOTERS WHO ELECTED THE GOVERNOR.

Have a nice day. As SSHM says, get back to me when you have some facts on your side. Wink

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"Minority Whip the Honorable Jim Clyburn"

I wouldn't be referring to any politician as "honorable," an "honorable" politician is a oxymoron at best....

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Bills sponsored or co-sponsored by Ryberg include: provision of ultrasound to expectant mothers, access to extra-curricular programs for home-schoolers, dui test for drivers involved in crashes resulting in death, death penalty for rapists of children, definition of marriage, "right to life" act, constitutional amendment makinf 14 the age of consent, hospitals must offer shaken-baby video to parents of newborns, tuition tax credits for school choice, ignition interlock for dui offenders, SC Public Invocation Act, elective courses on the Old and New Testament in public schools, criminalization of "consensual sex" between school officials and those 16 or older, bill to make cockfighting a felony, prohibition of advertising on school buses, primary enforcement of seatbelt law, include exposure to HIV in the definition of sexually violent offender, creation of south carlolina public charter school district,add drug trafficking to definition of violent crime, creation of the South Carolina Conservatino Bank, make a felony sexual conduct between corrections officers and inmates...this only goes back to the 2001-2002 session, but you get the point.

Your ignorance of the fiscal conservatism practiced by Verdin, Grooms, et. al. probably explains your prognostications during the primaries--you don't know what's going on. Don't make me list the votes they've taken on fiscal issues--I'll do it, I swear.

There are no conservatives leaving the Republican Party, just big government hacks like you. And, you can't give me another clue, you haven't had one since the primary.

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Why don't Republican Conservatives ever address our debt and obligations to foreign Governments? Should fiscal conservatism not be at the top of your platform?
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We do address our debts to foreign governments, Petunia. One of the tenets of fiscal conservatives is that we cannot continue to borrow from foreign governments to fund the bottomless pit of social welfare programs.

Why don't Democrats who have controlled one or both houses of Congress for all but six of the last 50 years ever talk about reining in spending? I do assume you're talking about FEDERAL government, since, to my knowledge, the government of the State of South Carolina has no foreign debt.

By the way, Petunia, it would go a long way toward reducing both our trade deficit and our debt to foreign nations if we could produce more oil domestically, instead of having to buy more than half of what we need on the international market. Most fiscal conservatives like me are more than happy to talk about that. Smile

 

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And your knowledge of most anything is limited at best. You are an idiot!

You really need to get a life and maybe a job.

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Why then, even with the war out of the equation, is our budget not balanced? How is it that the Democrats with all their social issues left the government in better shape fiscally than the Republicans ever have in recent years?

Drill in the present leased properties and then extend to other drilling sites!
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Our budget is not balanced because we spend more than we collect, Petunia. DUH!

As Paul Harvey once said, "When your outgo exceeds your income, the upshot could be your downfall."

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Petunia, did anyone ask the Honorable Jim Clyburn if he can say eight to fifteen years?

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If we had collected the taxes on the rich and super rich that GWB so generously forgave we could begin to balance the budget. Collect more and tighten our belts. DUH!
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Private-taylor,

Are you going to actually cite sources, or are you just content to put a wall of text up in hopes that folks will shrug it off and say "oh gee, he might be onto something?" Since you consistantly fail to use source material that can be verified, and since your credibility rating around here is somewhere below phytoplankton, allow me to give you an up-close examination into the legislation surrounding one W. Greg Ryberg:

Session 117 of the SC General Assembly
Thirty-Three (33) Bills - Ryberg as Primary Sponsor
Ten (10) of the Thirty-Three (33) Bills - Resolutions Honoring "X"
Thirteen (13) of the Thirty-Three (33) Bills/Resolutions - Passed
Twenty-Three (23) actual legislative matters

INTERESTING TRIVIA: Bryant listed as CO-SPONSOR on 12 of the 23 actual legislative matters (does this man [Bryant] have a thought of his own, or did we vote a lemming into office?)

Now ... for the legislation from the 117th:

DNP - Denotes Did Not Pass
No Bryant - Denotes Bryant was not listed as a co-sponsor

S.71 - Automated External Defibrillator (AED) Liability

S.72 - Failure to Wear Seatbelts - Admissable as Evidence (DNP)

S.73 - Tax Increment Financing Law (DNP)

S.74 - Individual Income Tax (DNP)

S.75 - Tuition Pre-Payment Program

S.238 - SC Retirement System (DNP)

S.239 - TERI Program (DNP)

S.411 - Shaking Infants Video (DNP) - No Bryant

S.488 - Pay Telephones (DNP) - No Bryant

S.493 - License Plates (DNP) - No Bryant

S.583 - Palmetto Fellows and LIFE Scholarship (DNP) - No Bryant

S.585 - Railways (DNP) - No Bryant

S.594 - Shaken Baby Syndrome Awareness Week - No Bryant

S.645 - Special Licesne Plates (DNP) - No Bryant

S.646 - Drivers' Licenses/Gross Vehicle Weight (DNP) - No Bryant

S.647 - Surety Bonds (DNP) - No Bryant

S.648 - Motor Vehicle Registration and Licensing (DNP) - No Bryant

S.649 - Motor Vehicle Financial Responsibility Act (DNP) - No Bryant

S.663 - Resolution Honoring John Sullivan - No Bryant

S.899 - State General Fund Appropriations Increases (DNP)

S.930 - Sexual Battery/Third Degree (DNP)

S.1036 - Resolution Honoring South Aiken Church of God - No Bryant

S.1071 - Advertising on School Buses/Prohibition (DNP)

S.1101 - Resolution Cities Mean Business Day - No Bryant

S.1139 - Resolution Honoring Chelsea Whitehurst - No Bryant

S.1167 - Resolution Thanking Lt. Col. Oliver L. North - No Bryant

S.1192 - Attendance at Public Schools (DNP)

S.1268 - Shaken Baby Syndrome Awareness Week - No Bryant

S.1287 - Competitive Grants Program (DNP)

S.1330 - Resolution Recognizing North Augusta Prayer Luncheon - No Bryant

S.1332 - Resolution to the City of Aiken - No Bryant

S.1354 - Resolution to Honor Michael Hunt - No Bryant

S.1355 - Resolution to Honor Edwin Kirkpatrick Ashe, Sr. - No Bryant


Source: LPITS (SC Legislative Information Tracking System) - Get your own account TODAY!

Now private-taylor, dig through that list from the 117th and tell me what you see, hmmm? Other than once again, you've been proven not to have a clue, you will see a FISCAL CONSERVATIVE that generally AVOIDS SOCIAL ISSUES.

I find it funny you want to gloss over some of the more interesting social aspects/good 'ole boy-isms of both Verdin and Grooms. Grooms, if you bothered to read the link I provided above, sought to protect Governor Sanford on the Senate Floor via blocking/opposing a SENATE INVESTIGATION into the Governor's mettling/undermining efforts of a Port Royal Developer.

Even the AP covered it, private:
http://shotpolitics.com/ap-sanford-tried-to-undermine-port-royal-developer.htm

As for Verdin, I would expect more from a sub-committee chairman responsible for pushing through S.860. What is S.860? A bill to provide a tax credit for installing a sprinkler system into existing buildings that, by code, do not require a sprinkler system. You would think after the big Charleston Furniture Store fire that something like this would have cruised through the General Assembly . . .

Go ahead and list away, private-taylor. To date, you haven't provided the FIRST bit of source material. Just endless dribblings without sentence structure or solid flow.

Once again, you've run off the moderates, the fund-raisers, the conservatives, and the machine that will get things done on the ground in Anderson. All that is left in the ACRP, with RARE exception, is a fringe group of ultra-conservatives that make Rush Limbaugh look liberal.

 

- SSHM

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The people who created those messes should address it, address it with the money out of THEIR pockets, not mine...

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of course those are not his ideas, he's just coattail riding as usual...

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News flash, super rich people create jobs, tax the rich more and they won't be creating jobs anymore....But then again it's a socialist welfare state you want with everyone dependent on the government, right?

Government doesn't solve problems, government IS the problem....

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Petunia, in 1993, Bill Clinton pushed through a $1 trillion tax increase. The final vote in the Senate was 50-50, with Al Gore castig the tie-breaking vote in his role as Vice President. That $1 trillion TAX INCREASE BILL also promised $1 trillion in SPENDING CUTS.

The spending cuts never happened. Really.

By the way, this "taxing the rich" malarky has gone on for far too long. The rich in our society are the ones who take risks, own large companies, provide thousands of jobs, etc., etc. Many of those "rich" were at one time just like you and just like me - working hard to achieve the American dream.

The government in most cases didn't HAND anything to them on their way up. It is now the ultimate ARROGANCE for anybody to claim the government should now PUNISH them for their success.

By the way, did you know most large corporations nowadays - whose owners are the target of the "soak the rich" strategy of the Democrats - now have mandatory drug testing for all employees. Yet, a welfare recipient can draw a check month after month without ever being tested.

Want to cut BILLIONS from Federal spending? Mandatory drug testing for welfare recipients. Fail one, lose benefits for six months. Fail a second one, lose benefits forever.

Try that for awhile If that doesn't generate enough to go a long way toward balancing the Federal budget, then we can revisit tax increases on the "rich" - which, defined by a Democrat, means "anybody who still has a job." By the way, Petunia, did you know the top 20 percent of wage earners in the United States already pay well over 80 percent of all Federal income taxes? Just how much do you think their "fair share" should be?

 

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Everyone of those bills Ryberg has sponsored or co-sponsored can be found on the same website. You simply, and conveniently, listed only the bills Ryberg served on as primary sponsor and you listed only those from this past year. But that's okay, I don't expect you to admit your errors. You literally have no idea how little you know.

Your rantings about the "social aspects/good 'ole boy-isms of both Verdin and Grooms" simply have no meaning. If you think Sanford broke some sort of law, file suit. Otherwise stay on the topic.

Your comments about the sprinkler legislation offer a perfect illumination of your big-government proclivities. You believe that govenrment should mandate thousands of dollars of added expense on to taxpayers as a result of an incompetent fire chief and gutless mayor. Charleston used its sprinkler rates to gouge taxpayers who had no choice but to pay extortionist rates. The fire chief was an arrogant idiot who refused to update his force, its equipment or its training. The result was that a bunch of firemen died in a building that they should never have been sent into and that hadn't been sprinklered because the city wanted tens of thousands of dollars for a job that cost next to nothing. Your solution to these problems is more government. Proves my point precisely.

Get thee to the Democrats.

 

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Okay,  I am bored with trying to teach Republicans to sing Democratic praises.. When I am President of the United States and you are still "wanna be" Millionaires we still won't see eye to eye, but I will see that you get everything coming to you.
Laughing
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I WIN! I WIN! YEEEEEEEHAAAAAWWWWWWWWW! Laughing
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OMG, was that a rebel yell I heard?  I never could resist a man in a uniform. Kiss
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Neither could Mrs. Tippett, Petunia. Fortunately, I managed to lure her away from that Air Force flyboy in the bus driver uniform and win her over with my charm. Wink

Yeah, right. Laughing

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