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That is until now… Having as my party’s nominee a man who courted the Democratic Caucus in the Senate, was considered as a Vice-Presidential candidate on the Democratic ticket, was so wrong on immigration and federal judge confirmations will never get my vote! It seems my party has left me.

- non sequitur


So, you're voting for Mr. Obama? That'll show 'em!

- StringCheese



My mind is not made up yet. But right now I am leaning toward Bob Barr and the Libertarian party. I'll leave Obama to you String!
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Merrymac only you know where you belong. But I would leave based on my decision, not someone else’s.
I have no intentions of leaving the Republican Party. I have supported the Republican Party and Republican candidates consistently, vocally, earnestly with time, effort, words, and money. What I resent is the way Willieh and Bubba has insisted that I am not a true Republican. I hope to goodness that Willieh is not who some on this blog believe that person to be. That would indeed be a double betrayal. I will continue to support, encourage, work for, and vote for all Republican candidates in the general election in November. Choosing to support one Republican candidate (especially when that candidate is a very close relative by marriage) over another Republican candidate does not make me any less of a Republican. I have always been disturbed by the term RINO. Again I must ask the question who is it that decides who is and who is not a Republican. No one--not Willieh, Bubba, non sequitar, etc. has put forth who the arbiter of Republicanism really is.
I would say that during the history of the Republican Party, conservatives have only recently become the majority members. Look at Abraham Lincoln--the ultimate purveyor of big government, Ulysses S. Grant, Theodore Roosevelt, Herbert Hoover may have had some small measures of conservative philosophy. I don't really see Dwight Eisenhower or Gerald Ford as conservatives. The conservative label arose with the rise of the Christian Coalition and Ronald Reagan.
So I will reiterate that we have the Republican Party whose members are mostly Conservatives. We do not have a Conservative Party.
Those Republicans who refuse to support John McCain because they do not see him as a Conservative will help all the liberals(some of whom are Democrats) elect Barack Obama as the next President. Let's see how conservative this country is then.
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I want to remind everyone to vote in the Republican primary June 10th. By voting in the Republican primary you actually declare yourself to be a Republican.

- merrymacsc



Allow me to elaborate on what merrymacsc is saying here:

When you enter your polling place, you will need to inform the folks present that you are seeking to vote in the Republican Primary. In effect, you are declaring to be a Republican.

Stop.

Declaration neither obligates you to the Republican Party, nor does it restrict you in voting in the General Election in November. Declaration, can be further simplified by this example:

You walk into Longhorns Steak House on Clemson Boulevard. It's 3:30pm on a Saturday. It's not exactly lunch nor is it dinner. You "declare" to your server that you would prefer the dinner menu over the lunch menu.

This is what makes our party great: AN OPEN PRIMARY.

Declare you are going to vote Republican on June 10th. Do your civic duty!


- SSHM
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Thanks SSHM I had another post elaborating but I don't know what happened to it. The space came up but the text didn't. Ah, the marvels of technology!
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That is until now… Having as my party’s nominee a man who courted the Democratic Caucus in the Senate, was considered as a Vice-Presidential candidate on the Democratic ticket, was so wrong on immigration and federal judge confirmations will never get my vote! It seems my party has left me.

- non sequitur


So, you're voting for Mr. Obama? That'll show 'em!

- StringCheese



My mind is not made up yet. But right now I am leaning toward Bob Barr and the Libertarian party. I'll leave Obama to you String!

- non sequitur



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In my opinion, a vote for Bob Barr IS a vote for Obama. Is that what you really want? Conservatives who want progress CANNOT waste a vote. Let the disgruntled democrats vote for Ralph (Hug a Tree and Waste a Vote) Nader.

The bottom line is - there are going to be two realistic choices in November. Obama or McCain. Falling on your sword for principle is great in theory.

But the reality is you MUST decide which is worse.....
Bob Barr and Ralph Nader are not going to make it. It is McCain or Obama....

For that reason, I feel very strongly that conservatives, even those who have misgivings about McCain, should choose to vote Republican. A vote is too critical in this election.
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Amen to that Queen.
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In my opinion, a vote for Bob Barr IS a vote for Obama. Is that what you really want? Conservatives who want progress CANNOT waste a vote. Let the disgruntled democrats vote for Ralph (Hug a Tree and Waste a Vote) Nader.

The bottom line is - there are going to be two realistic choices in November. Obama or McCain. Falling on your sword for principle is great in theory.

But the reality is you MUST decide which is worse.....
Bob Barr and Ralph Nader are not going to make it. It is McCain or Obama....

For that reason, I feel very strongly that conservatives, even those who have misgivings about McCain, should choose to vote Republican. A vote is too critical in this election.

- The Queen


In my humble opinion, asking a true conservative to choose between Obama and McCain is like asking a condemned man to choose between death by firing squad or death by hanging.

Some of us do, indeed, prefer another option, and we might just decide to lay low and hope for a commutation of that death sentence.

McCain and his local snuggle buddy, Lindsey Graham, have dissed so many of us over the years - from implying in 2000 that evangelical Christians have no right to participate in the political process (I'm not one of those, but I have friends and family who are), to leveling charges of xenophobia and racism at those who don't support amnesty for illegal immigrants, to undermining the War on Terror by demanding Geneva Convention treatment to prisoners who aren't even referenced in that agreement and by demanding the same rights of foreign terrorists that are guaranteed to U.S. citizens, to contending the the issue of the Confederate battle flag is a FEDERAL issue - that is will be difficult for a lot of us to hold our noses tightly enough to be able to vote for him.

I will vote in November. I will vote for the CONSERVATIVE. That may well be a DEMOCRAT on the local and state level, believe it or not. On the Presidential ticket, though, I don't think there is a CONSERVATIVE choice their among the two within the major parties. And I can't even vote for Bob Barr, because he was right in their with McCain and Graham in undermining the Commander in Chief on matters of national security.

There's more value to falling on one's sword on principle than just theory, Queen. In this case, it may be less painful than voting for man who has stabbed his own party in the back repeatedly.

Maybe four years from now - if we survive - the choice will be clearer.
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In all my years of being involved with politics, when I hear or read someone talking about the Republican Party being a "big tent" party, it is usually a liberal republican or someone who has miraculously converted from a democrat to a republican.

I think of republicans as conservatives. A conservative believes in smaller government, lower taxes, pro-life issues, and pro-family issues.

If the tent enlarges to have tax raising, government growing, pro-choice, anti-family members, why don't we just merge with the democrats? This seems like what you would like to see happen merrymacsc.

It would save a lot of money on the campaign trail, and get this stuff over with a lot quicker.
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In my opinion, a vote for Bob Barr IS a vote for Obama. Is that what you really want? Conservatives who want progress CANNOT waste a vote. Let the disgruntled democrats vote for Ralph (Hug a Tree and Waste a Vote) Nader.

The bottom line is - there are going to be two realistic choices in November. Obama or McCain. Falling on your sword for principle is great in theory.

But the reality is you MUST decide which is worse.....
Bob Barr and Ralph Nader are not going to make it. It is McCain or Obama....

For that reason, I feel very strongly that conservatives, even those who have misgivings about McCain, should choose to vote Republican. A vote is too critical in this election.

- The Queen


In my humble opinion, asking a true conservative to choose between Obama and McCain is like asking a condemned man to choose between death by firing squad or death by hanging.

Some of us do, indeed, prefer another option, and we might just decide to lay low and hope for a commutation of that death sentence.

McCain and his local snuggle buddy, Lindsey Graham, have dissed so many of us over the years - from implying in 2000 that evangelical Christians have no right to participate in the political process (I'm not one of those, but I have friends and family who are), to leveling charges of xenophobia and racism at those who don't support amnesty for illegal immigrants, to undermining the War on Terror by demanding Geneva Convention treatment to prisoners who aren't even referenced in that agreement and by demanding the same rights of foreign terrorists that are guaranteed to U.S. citizens, to contending the the issue of the Confederate battle flag is a FEDERAL issue - that is will be difficult for a lot of us to hold our noses tightly enough to be able to vote for him.

I will vote in November. I will vote for the CONSERVATIVE. That may well be a DEMOCRAT on the local and state leve, believe it or not. On the Presidential ticket, though, I don't think there is a CONSERVATIVE choice their among the two within the major parties. And I can't even vote for Bob Barr, because he was right in their with McCain and Graham in undermining the Commander in Chief on matters of national security.

There's more value to falling on one's sword on principle than just theory, Queen. In this case, it may be less painful than voting for man who has stabbed his own party in the back repeatedly.

Maybe four years from now - if we survive - the choice will be clearer.

- JDTippett



JD, I totally understand your position. Me - firing squad is quick and hanging is slow and will leave bruises and show you peeing on yourself as you swing in the wind??? Maybe that is not fair as a comparison, but that is the way I see it.

I wish we had another choice but we do not. And Barak Obama is charming and attractive but there is something about him (and don't anyone accuse me of the damn racism thing = that has NOTHING to do with it!) that I just do not trust. When it comes down to it, somebody has to be in charge of that button to blow the world to smithereens. I will be gone - what the heck
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In my humble opinion, asking a true conservative to choose between Obama and McCain is like asking a condemned man to choose between death by firing squad or death by hanging.

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There's more value to falling on one's sword on principle than just theory, Queen. In this case, it may be less painful than voting for man who has stabbed his own party in the back repeatedly.

Maybe four years from now - if we survive - the choice will be clearer.

- JDTippett



JD you said it much better than I could. However you said exactly how I feel. I'm looking toward 2012 for a different set of choices.
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Pappy, Petunia, Jack Ruby, ahamm, I do like you.

Just disagree!!!

See you at the pollls in November.


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In all my years of being involved with politics, when I hear or read someone talking about the Republican Party being a "big tent" party, it is usually a liberal republican or someone who has miraculously converted from a democrat to a republican.

- YankeeFan



Let's go back to that original quote I have on page one.

You are aware of who Steve Schmidt is, correct? Let me point out a few things, m'kay . . .

Steve Schmidt was:
Chief strategist in charge of Supreme Court nominations of Samuel A. Alito. and Chief Justice John Roberts.

. . . and . . .

Counselor snd spokesman for Vice President Dick Cheney. (who at last check was a neo-con).

Not all Big Tent advocates are liberal republicans. Quite a number of us would be called master strategists.


- SSHM
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I wish we had another choice but we do not. And Barak Obama is charming and attractive but there is something about him (and don't anyone accuse me of the damn racism thing = that has NOTHING to do with it!) that I just do not trust.

- The Queen


I think the word you're looking for is glib.
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Not all Big Tent advocates are liberal republicans. Quite a number of us would be called master strategists


You're a master (of something) alright. Your posts clearly indicate that you want everyone else out there who support big government/take my money and spend it/please have government take over my life candidates to vote in the Republican primary.

Perhaps they will. Perhaps you will succeed. It is revealing however that you need Democrats to secure your victory for you.

Thanks for finally admitting it to the rest of us.
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I wish we had another choice but we do not. And Barak Obama is charming and attractive but there is something about him (and don't anyone accuse me of the damn racism thing = that has NOTHING to do with it!) that I just do not trust.

- The Queen


I think the word you're looking for is glib.

- StringCheese



String,

Even Mr. Magoo would seem glib in comparison to what we have listened to from the White House for the last 7 1/2 years.
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You're a master (of something) alright. Your posts clearly indicate that you want everyone else out there who support big government/take my money and spend it/please have government take over my life candidates to vote in the Republican primary.

Perhaps they will. Perhaps you will succeed. It is revealing however that you need Democrats to secure your victory for you.

Thanks for finally admitting it to the rest of us.

- major taylor





Go read V.O. Key and get back with me.

. . . poorly played game of Checkers . . .


- SSHM
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Personally, I think it would be great if Chuckles and Susie Creamcheese kicked all y'all out of the republican party. Then you could hang out with me
And the 12 CAVERS could be (politically speaking) run out of town on a pole.

But I guess people get "married" to their labels, even if it doesn't benefit them. EG, if someone was a republican in the 80's tradition, but the party has moved far to the right (as it seems to have in AC), why stay in that party? At least locally, join the other party, where your presence might move it 'right', but you'd at least be closer to others in ideology.

Republicans in this county have become libertarians... perhaps even anarchists. So, why not join the democrats. It's not like the democratic platform locally has much to do with the platform nationally.

Really, the Dems are the "big tent" party. Conservative economic policy only benefits a narrow group of people at the top of the economic ladder.
And locally, conservative ideology doesn't really benefit anyone (presuming you like to drive on roads, etc)
But hey, that's just my view.
I just don't understand how any of you can see benefits to voting conservative.
But, I guess not everyone is as well adjusted as me.
It takes all kinds.

As long as we have a 1 party system here in AC I'll be voting in republican primaries.

Last time I voted for Bob Dubby. Guess who's not going to get my vote this time


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Go read V.O. Key and get back with me.


You mean the guy who's last book was published posthumously in 1966? I guess you're looking for the return of segregation too.

You really are an old Democrat. No wonder you want them all to vote next week.
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"One of the things that's a good thing about the Republican Party is that it's a big tent and there's room for disagreement on policy."
- Steve Schmidt, Campaign Strategist and Advisor to the 2008 Presidential campaign of Senator John McCain.

The Big Tent

June 10th in Anderson County politics promises to be a day of change. As such, I would like to take a moment to extend an invitation to all Democrats, Libertarians, Constitutionalists, and non card carrying Republicans to vote in next Tuesday’s Republican Primary.

OUR PRIMARY IS OPEN TO EVERYONE!!

For many in Anderson, there is not a Democrat, a Libertarian, or a Constitutionalist running in your district. In fact, in a number of races, June 10th will be the equivalent of the general election.

Make your voice heard! Do you civic duty and vote! Take the time in the next few days to double-check your voter registration cards. Be aware of where your particular polling place is.

A twelve-hour window that will ultimately set the course of Anderson County for the next two to four years
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SSHM has insinuated that pen-name “willieh” is Susan Aiken. I don’t know who SSHM or willieh are, but I do know that Ms. Aiken does not participate on this blog.

As a child, I was neighbors with Jimmy & Susan Aiken. Very fine people. Well, Several years ago, Jimmy was found dead in their driveway. He was at home alone. He was working in the yard and got a bee sting and couldn’t get to his bee sting kit. Jimmy was allergic to bees.

Fastforward to last week in 2008. SSHM made the remark above :

“Outside of bee stings, you are petrified of the cross-over voters AND the moderates in the party. When they arrive and cast their votes, the ultra-nut-job right-wingers are sunk - and you know it.

You don't have the votes now. You don't have the traction needed. You don't have the financial backing. You don't have the time to execute.

You have failed.

Now put on your big girl pants and get over it.”

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