It’s well known that John has a local pastor supporting his run for office. In fact, the pastor is heavily involved in the campaign. What is not publicly known is that particular pastor, and his wife, was employed by the sheriff’s office under the prior administration. (By the way, John was their supervisor.) Not only did the pastor receive a salary, he was also issued an unmarked county vehicle to drive.
The current administration maintained the Chaplaincy Program, but discontinued the position of “paid’’ chaplain. The “Skipper for Sheriff” chaplain was the only one who refused to stay involved with the deputies. The other pastors remained in the program and followed through in their commitment to serve the sheriff’s office and their community. These enduring pastors are the ones who have always volunteered their own time and fuel.
Speaking of pastors, I can’t help but wonder why John needs to hear from so many of them these days. He boasts of being a member of a local church, but somehow feels the need to visit many more now that his hat is in the sheriff’s race. It’s funny that the visitations weren’t as numerous prior to John’s announcement that he was seeking an elected office.
There is nothing wrong with visiting churches if it’s done for the right purpose. Showing up to be seen, shake hands and garner votes is not the right purpose. I believe in religion and that our leaders should be persons of faith. I also believe, as did our Founding Fathers, that there should be a separation of church and state. The vestibule is not the place to elicit support for a race and the pulpit is not the place to orate one’s political aspirations.
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It’s well known that John has a local pastor supporting his run for office. In fact, the pastor is heavily involved in the campaign. What is not publicly known is that particular pastor, and his wife, was employed by the sheriff’s office under the prior administration. (By the way, John was their supervisor.) Not only did the pastor receive a salary, he was also issued an unmarked county vehicle to drive.
The current administration maintained the Chaplaincy Program, but discontinued the position of “paid’’ chaplain. The “Skipper for Sheriff” chaplain was the only one who refused to stay involved with the deputies. The other pastors remained in the program and followed through in their commitment to serve the sheriff’s office and their community. These enduring pastors are the ones who have always volunteered their own time and fuel.
Speaking of pastors, I can’t help but wonder why John needs to hear from so many of them these days. He boasts of being a member of a local church, but somehow feels the need to visit many more now that his hat is in the sheriff’s race. It’s funny that the visitations weren’t as numerous prior to John’s announcement that he was seeking an elected office.
There is nothing wrong with visiting churches if it’s done for the right purpose. Showing up to be seen, shake hands and garner votes is not the right purpose. I believe in religion and that our leaders should be persons of faith. I also believe, as did our Founding Fathers, that there should be a separation of church and state. The vestibule is not the place to elicit support for a race and the pulpit is not the place to orate one’s political aspirations.
- uscgang
Since you mentioned it, can you show any of us where the "founding fathers" debated or enacted any regulation concerning Separation of Church and state?
Bet you can't. Because it didn't happen.
Now, back to the thread issue. Skipper wasn't sheriff 4 years ago. It is Gene Taylor who had the paid chaplain program, not Skipper. Is it a crime to be friends with someone that you used to work with? I think not. Is it wrong to be involved with a person of faith? Only if you are aligned with that crazy anti-American nut job, Jerimiah Wright.
This is a non-issue. Find something else. Crenshaw did away with the paid position of Taylor's. Skipper was not in charge. Ask Skipper if he would re-instate the position, before you come up with stupid stuff.
It’s well known that John has a local pastor supporting his run for office. In fact, the pastor is heavily involved in the campaign. What is not publicly known is that particular pastor, and his wife, was employed by the sheriff’s office under the prior administration. (By the way, John was their supervisor.) Not only did the pastor receive a salary, he was also issued an unmarked county vehicle to drive.
The current administration maintained the Chaplaincy Program, but discontinued the position of “paid’’ chaplain. The “Skipper for Sheriff” chaplain was the only one who refused to stay involved with the deputies. The other pastors remained in the program and followed through in their commitment to serve the sheriff’s office and their community. These enduring pastors are the ones who have always volunteered their own time and fuel.
Speaking of pastors, I can’t help but wonder why John needs to hear from so many of them these days. He boasts of being a member of a local church, but somehow feels the need to visit many more now that his hat is in the sheriff’s race. It’s funny that the visitations weren’t as numerous prior to John’s announcement that he was seeking an elected office.
There is nothing wrong with visiting churches if it’s done for the right purpose. Showing up to be seen, shake hands and garner votes is not the right purpose. I believe in religion and that our leaders should be persons of faith. I also believe, as did our Founding Fathers, that there should be a separation of church and state. The vestibule is not the place to elicit support for a race and the pulpit is not the place to orate one’s political aspirations.
- uscgang
One of the best ways to meet people is to attend their church and meet them...
There is nothing strange or dirty about this. Most people are happy to have the chance to meet a candidate in person and ask him questions. And most churches are happy to invite guests to share in their worship.
It's no wonder that Crenshaw doesn't visit churches -- he probably couldn't handle the questions that people have about him spending $2.5 million of our money without saying anything.
This thread is nothing but a personal attack by the Crenshaw gang. Are they getting this desperate that they have to attack Skipper for going to church? That's a new one for me.
Most people in these parts are Christians. But there are many good folks of other religions. I am tired of hearing that so'n'so is a "good Christian fellow". It means nothing to me since one of my friends is a "good Jewish fellow".
Skipper's Christian faith, in my mind, does not make him either good or bad. This race is based on what's best for Anderson County and its residents (that's us, folks).
It's pretty obvious that David Crenshaw is a Christian too. But neither one will get my vote based on his religion. I want to know whether we will be better off after the election with one or the other. That's all I care about.
And the budget overrun in the sheriff's department? I couldn't care less. Infact, I think it has helped sheriff Crenshaw to do a better job. The office was underfunded for years and now it is moving ahead. I say, give 'em the money they need to clamp down on crime.
And don't hand me that "he's a good Christian man" crap. It has nothing to do with this race.
Skipper's Christian faith, in my mind, does not make him either good or bad. This race is based on what's best for Anderson County and its residents (that's us, folks).
It's pretty obvious that David Crenshaw is a Christian too. But neither one will get my vote based on his religion. I want to know whether we will be better off after the election with one or the other. That's all I care about.
And the budget overrun in the sheriff's department? I couldn't care less. Infact, I think it has helped sheriff Crenshaw to do a better job. The office was underfunded for years and now it is moving ahead. I say, give 'em the money they need to clamp down on crime.
And don't hand me that "he's a good Christian man" crap. It has nothing to do with this race.
Separation of church and state is a political and legal doctrine that government and religious institutions are to be kept separate and independent from each other.[1] The term most often refers to the combination of two principles: secularity of government and freedom of religious exercise.[2]
The phrase separation of church and state is generally traced to a letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists, in which he referred to the First Amendment of the United States Constitution as creating a "wall of separation" between church and state. The phrase was then quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947. This led to increased popular and political discussion of the concept.
The phrase separation of church and state is generally traced to a letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists, in which he referred to the First Amendment of the United States Constitution as creating a "wall of separation" between church and state. The phrase was then quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947. This led to increased popular and political discussion of the concept.
Separation of church and state is a political and legal doctrine that government and religious institutions are to be kept separate and independent from each other.[1] The term most often refers to the combination of two principles: secularity of government and freedom of religious exercise.[2]
The phrase separation of church and state is generally traced to a letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists, in which he referred to the First Amendment of the United States Constitution as creating a "wall of separation" between church and state. The phrase was then quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1947. This led to increased popular and political discussion of the concept.
- uscgang
Good cut and paste skills. You could get a job with the Independent Mail. Now tell me, where do the founding fathers come into this discussion?
It is commonly known that Jefferson meant that the state should stay out of the church. Not the other way around.
And don't hand me that "he's a good Christian man" crap. It has nothing to do with this race.- Buster
Once again Buster your mean spiritedness has shown through. You, the resident expert of labeling folks and calling them names (CAVE, TOGA, etc) now disparage someone who has been given the honor of being called a “good Christian man” by calling it “crap”. What a guy!
It must be awful lonely in your world.
uscgang
More political decisions have been talked about from the pulpit, and in churches in general than any other place. Surely this cannot be a new discovery for you?
More political decisions have been talked about from the pulpit, and in churches in general than any other place. Surely this cannot be a new discovery for you?
If busterd died they could stuff all his friends in a phone booth for the funeral.
Even though I do not support John Skipper, I think it's good that he is going out ito the community to meet with people.( I think he has also visited homes in the community as well~ so it is not just churches that he is vsiting.) This is just a way for him to get his name out there and have one on one conversations with people. I agree with the fact that being called a " good christian man" truly means nothing now compared to what it used to mean. Anyone can be a called good christian however they can also be the same people who do things that a real "good christian man" wouldnt participate in. His faith has nothing to do with the job he will do as sheriff of Anderson County. Neither candidate should use something like this an attempt to get more votes.
And the budget overrun in the sheriff's department? I couldn't care less. Infact, I think it has helped sheriff Crenshaw to do a better job. The office was underfunded for years and now it is moving ahead. I say, give 'em the money they need to clamp down on crime.
- Buster
I think you are right about this. It would be nice if the funds that are needed were made available. It is sad to think about all the money in the county that is wasted when it could go to something more important.
Most people in these parts are Christians. But there are many good folks of other religions. I am tired of hearing that so'n'so is a "good Christian fellow". It means nothing to me since one of my friends is a "good Jewish fellow".
Skipper's Christian faith, in my mind, does not make him either good or bad. This race is based on what's best for Anderson County and its residents (that's us, folks).
It's pretty obvious that David Crenshaw is a Christian too. But neither one will get my vote based on his religion. I want to know whether we will be better off after the election with one or the other. That's all I care about.
And the budget overrun in the sheriff's department? I couldn't care less. Infact, I think it has helped sheriff Crenshaw to do a better job. The office was underfunded for years and now it is moving ahead. I say, give 'em the money they need to clamp down on crime.
And don't hand me that "he's a good Christian man" crap. It has nothing to do with this race.- Buster
But, Buster, doesn't it come down to doing what you say you will do? The Sheriff said he would do more with less if elected. Whether he has done more is up for debate, but he certainly had done whatever he has done with more.
We have not even got a contrite explanation from the Sheriff or for that matter, any of the anti tax council members who voted to increase taxes.
Government continues to grow faster in Anderson County than other comparable counties and we are told that it must be. We are not told exactly why, but if we ask, we are called nuts, troubled, liars, whatever else.
Something does not add up here. Of course everyone wants to make sure the deputies have the equipment, manpower and compensation that they need. But, its difficult to just sign over blank checks.
Most people in these parts are Christians. But there are many good folks of other religions. I am tired of hearing that so'n'so is a "good Christian fellow". It means nothing to me since one of my friends is a "good Jewish fellow".
Skipper's Christian faith, in my mind, does not make him either good or bad. This race is based on what's best for Anderson County and its residents (that's us, folks).
It's pretty obvious that David Crenshaw is a Christian too. But neither one will get my vote based on his religion. I want to know whether we will be better off after the election with one or the other. That's all I care about.
And the budget overrun in the sheriff's department? I couldn't care less. Infact, I think it has helped sheriff Crenshaw to do a better job. The office was underfunded for years and now it is moving ahead. I say, give 'em the money they need to clamp down on crime.
And don't hand me that "he's a good Christian man" crap. It has nothing to do with this race.- Buster
But, Buster, doesn't it come down to doing what you say you will do? The Sheriff said he would do more with less if elected. Whether he has done more is up for debate, but he certainly had done whatever he has done with more.
We have not even got a contrite explanation from the Sheriff or for that matter, any of the anti tax council members who voted to increase taxes.
Government continues to grow faster in Anderson County than other comparable counties and we are told that it must be. We are not told exactly why, but if we ask, we are called nuts, troubled, liars, whatever else.
Something does not add up here. Of course everyone wants to make sure the deputies have the equipment, manpower and compensation that they need. But, its difficult to just sign over blank checks.- coke_stevenson
Amen!
It’s well known that John has a local pastor supporting his run for office. In fact, the pastor is heavily involved in the campaign. What is not publicly known is that particular pastor, and his wife, was employed by the sheriff’s office under the prior administration. (By the way, John was their supervisor.) Not only did the pastor receive a salary, he was also issued an unmarked county vehicle to drive.
The current administration maintained the Chaplaincy Program, but discontinued the position of “paid’’ chaplain. The “Skipper for Sheriff” chaplain was the only one who refused to stay involved with the deputies. The other pastors remained in the program and followed through in their commitment to serve the sheriff’s office and their community. These enduring pastors are the ones who have always volunteered their own time and fuel.
Speaking of pastors, I can’t help but wonder why John needs to hear from so many of them these days. He boasts of being a member of a local church, but somehow feels the need to visit many more now that his hat is in the sheriff’s race. It’s funny that the visitations weren’t as numerous prior to John’s announcement that he was seeking an elected office.
There is nothing wrong with visiting churches if it’s done for the right purpose. Showing up to be seen, shake hands and garner votes is not the right purpose. I believe in religion and that our leaders should be persons of faith. I also believe, as did our Founding Fathers, that there should be a separation of church and state. The vestibule is not the place to elicit support for a race and the pulpit is not the place to orate one’s political aspirations.
- uscgang
This would be laughable if it was not such a desperate and despicable attempt to mainline someone.
I have a news flash for you uscgang
Even though I do not support John Skipper, I think it's good that he is going out ito the community to meet with people.( I think he has also visited homes in the community as well~ so it is not just churches that he is vsiting.) This is just a way for him to get his name out there and have one on one conversations with people. I agree with the fact that being called a " good christian man" truly means nothing now compared to what it used to mean. Anyone can be a called good christian however they can also be the same people who do things that a real "good christian man" wouldnt participate in. His faith has nothing to do with the job he will do as sheriff of Anderson County. Neither candidate should use something like this an attempt to get more votes.
- clemsonfan
Wow...I am almost 98% in agreement with you.
I do support John Skipper.
I think that a man of faith would be a plus for anyone running for the office of sheriff. (I am not saying that the current sheriff is not a man of faith
The Sheriff has the legal authority to hire whom he wishes. I'm sorry you didn't get a "reason". Keep to the Topic.
Whattheheck?, can you confirm a story of Skipper attending (political) one church on Mother's day, while his wife and son attended their own home church.
Even NASCAR stops for Mothers.....
Whattheheck?, can you confirm a story of Skipper attending (political) one church on Mother's day, while his wife and son attended their own home church.
Even NASCAR stops for Mothers.....
Even though I do not support John Skipper, I think it's good that he is going out ito the community to meet with people.( I think he has also visited homes in the community as well~ so it is not just churches that he is vsiting.) This is just a way for him to get his name out there and have one on one conversations with people. I agree with the fact that being called a " good christian man" truly means nothing now compared to what it used to mean. Anyone can be a called good christian however they can also be the same people who do things that a real "good christian man" wouldnt participate in. His faith has nothing to do with the job he will do as sheriff of Anderson County. Neither candidate should use something like this an attempt to get more votes.
- clemsonfan
Wow...I am almost 98% in agreement with you.
I do support John Skipper.
I think that a man of faith would be a plus for anyone running for the office of sheriff. (I am not saying that the current sheriff is not a man of faith
Even though I do not support John Skipper, I think it's good that he is going out ito the community to meet with people.( I think he has also visited homes in the community as well~ so it is not just churches that he is vsiting.) This is just a way for him to get his name out there and have one on one conversations with people. I agree with the fact that being called a " good christian man" truly means nothing now compared to what it used to mean. Anyone can be a called good christian however they can also be the same people who do things that a real "good christian man" wouldnt participate in. His faith has nothing to do with the job he will do as sheriff of Anderson County. Neither candidate should use something like this an attempt to get more votes.
- clemsonfan
Wow...I am almost 98% in agreement with you.
I do support John Skipper.
I think that a man of faith would be a plus for anyone running for the office of sheriff. (I am not saying that the current sheriff is not a man of faith
COKE - Sorry so long in answering.
You raise an interesting question: "Doesn't it come down to doing what you say you will do ?"
That's a hard one, Coke. A challenger for an office simply does not have access to everything that the incumbent has during the campaign. And he may not have the same amount of experience. So, he must campaign on what he believes.
I don't think that it means that the challenger is lying. I think that he gathers what information he can from numerous sources.
For instance, the radio. We both know that people are always calling in about wasteful spending. If it were true, a challenger could think that he could cut the wasteful spending and improve efficiency. Easy !
But when he gets into office he begins to learn the truth
You raise an interesting question: "Doesn't it come down to doing what you say you will do ?"
That's a hard one, Coke. A challenger for an office simply does not have access to everything that the incumbent has during the campaign. And he may not have the same amount of experience. So, he must campaign on what he believes.
I don't think that it means that the challenger is lying. I think that he gathers what information he can from numerous sources.
For instance, the radio. We both know that people are always calling in about wasteful spending. If it were true, a challenger could think that he could cut the wasteful spending and improve efficiency. Easy !
But when he gets into office he begins to learn the truth
The Sheriff has the legal authority to hire whom he wishes. I'm sorry you didn't get a "reason". Keep to the Topic.
Whattheheck?, can you confirm a story of Skipper attending (political) one church on Mother's day, while his wife and son attended their own home church.
Even NASCAR stops for Mothers.....- uscgang
And just where did I go off Topic?
