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jdtippett
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Now, you're trying to attack Sen. Bryant with minutia. Voters can't understand any of this garbage. This is political insider stuff. Normal people don't understand any of this.

- ahammett

WHAT?!?! So intelligent, fact driven discussion isn't what happens here? If it can't be distilled down to sometime cleaver enough to write it on a poster, it's to "educated" for the readers? Sorry, but most important issues are complicated, rarely black and white, and never easily summarized.

- scalwag


Scalwag, I think Andrew's objection to SSHM's attack is NOT whether it's "intelligent and fact driven" but whether the average voter even cares enough to research or accept the premise of the attack.

Alright, Cockleburians, pop quiz! Who among you know ANYTHING about the political activities of Warren Tompkins, or Rod Shealy, or Will Folks, or (beyond his local ties) even Brian McCarty? What about that JDTippett fellow?

Anybody? (Not you MerryMac, Bill.)

We live in an era of 30-second bites and group-tested campaign slogans that are weak on substance but strong on symbolism. We live in a time where people actually decide who to vote for based on WHO HAS THE MOST CAMPAIGN SIGNS or the PRETTIEST CAMPAIGN SIGNS.

There are many who like to discuss the deeper issues driving these elections, and SSHM happens to be one of those. I put myself in that group, also.

But Andrew is right. The "insiderism" style of campaigning serves mostly to confuse people. Just as bringing up the guy from out of state who puts money behind candidates who back school choice means nothing to most voters, bringing up state political operatives that very few people know serves no purpose other than to cloud the issues.

But SSHM does provide some really cool links that I and others who like to do our research actually do follow sometimes. What's wrong with that?
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18 May 2008 03:36 PM
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JD,

It clouds the issue only if you let it. If you have an interest, you will learn the players just like you learn the characters in a novel or a tv show. Yes, I realize it requires effort beyond the 30s soundbite.

No conspiracy theories here folks. This is simply doing the background homework to find out why something is the way it is.

- SSHM
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18 May 2008 03:45 PM
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No disagreement with you there, SSHM. I was just pointing out that the majority of the voters don't care to do the research or to think the issues through. They make decisions based on EMOTION, not REASON.
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18 May 2008 03:47 PM
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. . . decisions based on EMOTION, not REASON.

- JDTippett



I suddenly feel the need to form a Vulcan Voting Bloc. V2B has a nice ring to it ...


- SSHM
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18 May 2008 03:50 PM
jdtippett
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Live long and prosper, SSHM.

But keep your cotton pickin' hands away from my face - I don't want to be the keeper of your marbles through any Vulcan Mind Melds. I have enough trouble keeping track of my own marbles.
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18 May 2008 03:50 PM
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What about that JDTippett fellow?

- JDTippett



Do not buy any saw horses from him. Costs too much to raise and breed.
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18 May 2008 04:15 PM
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YO! SSHM where did you post the other links so I can find out why you guys are so against this whole payday lender thing.
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18 May 2008 05:17 PM
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Interesting that you should bring up the pay-day legislation. Thursday in the Senate, there were attempts to amend a House bill to re-address the issue. So far, the amendments have been ruled “non-germane”, but a new ruling is pending for Tuesday.

SSHM, you are saying government should oversee the personal transactions of taxpayers, but taxpayers should have no oversight of the transactions of their government.

This is backwards. The taxpayer should not have to answer to the government while spending the taxpayers’ money.
The government should have to answer to the taxpayer while spending the taxpayers’ money.

You can find my reasons for voting against the pay day lending regulations on my site. here. My vote was actually against the industry’s wishes. They asked for an “aye” in the final Senate bill.

Whether you agree with my record, it is an open book, more so than any other elected official in South Carolina. Thank you for your interest.

- kevin bryant



Love that quote Senator Bryant. The taxpayer should not have to answer to the government on spending their own money, but the government should answer to spending the taxpayers money.

Great quote. You have my vote!
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18 May 2008 05:31 PM
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They make decisions based on EMOTION, not REASON.

- JDTippett

And that scares me more than I can explain in a 30 second sound bite
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18 May 2008 06:36 PM
jdtippett
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Yeah, Scalwag, I know what you mean. I was just stating it as a fact. Doesn't mean I like it.
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18 May 2008 08:06 PM
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Now, you're trying to attack Sen. Bryant with minutia. Voters can't understand any of this garbage. This is political insider stuff. Normal people don't understand any of this.

- ahammett



Thanks for the backup Andrew, but I would not call this an “attack” by SSHM. The post is asking about a legitimate issue. Voting records are public and constituents deserve an explanation.
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18 May 2008 08:39 PM
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Now, you're trying to attack Sen. Bryant with minutia. Voters can't understand any of this garbage. This is political insider stuff. Normal people don't understand any of this.

- ahammett



Thanks for the backup Andrew, but I would not call this an “attack” by SSHM. The post is asking about a legitimate issue. Voting records are public and constituents deserve an explanation.

- kevin bryant



I'm not trying to give you backup, just trying to tell SSHM to explain things in ways that normal people can understand. I'm trying to help him realize he's not normal and he can't talk to everybody like they know all the insider information that he does.
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18 May 2008 09:22 PM
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Love that quote Senator Bryant. The taxpayer should not have to answer to the government on spending their own money, but the government should answer to spending the taxpayers money.

Great quote. You have my vote!

- willieh



Actually, you would be amazed how many times the taxpayer has to answer to the government about spending their own money.

First example: Try buying large quantities of ammonium nitrate fertilizer post-1995. I guarantee you'll have someone from the US Government knocking on your door asking quite a number of questions.

Second example: 1-877-452-5155. For those that don't recognize that number, that is the SC Gambling Helpline. Created as apart of the SC Education Lottery Act, its purpose is to address gambling addiction and aid our citizens.

Third example: SC1040. You fill it out each year, providing an accounting of your earnings.

In these three examples, you can see where the people have to answer to the government about expenditures that pertain to public safety, social ills, and income.

To correct you Senator, I am advocating a two-way street. I should be accountable to goverment for my expenditures so long as it is germane to the public interest. My government, conversly, should be accountable to me, demonstrating sound fiscal, political, and only where absolutly needed, social policy.

Is that really unreasonable? Is that really TOO far from where we are today?

Since you are eager to respond Senator, a few questions from you:

1.) Do you intend to keep the monies received from pay day lenders
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18 May 2008 09:56 PM
sshm
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Noeline,

As promised, more details about Payday Lending:

Utilities and Payday Lenders: Convenient Payments, Killer Loans

Loansharks: Payday Lenders Funded by Bank of America, Chase, Wells Fargo, U.S. Bancorp, and Wachovia

Sen. Bryant ... your response to the questions, please.


- SSHM
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18 May 2008 11:22 PM
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Noeline,

As promised, more details about Payday Lending:

Utilities and Payday Lenders: Convenient Payments, Killer Loans

Loansharks: Payday Lenders Funded by Bank of America, Chase, Wells Fargo, U.S. Bancorp, and Wachovia

Sen. Bryant ... your response to the questions, please.


- SSHM

- SSHM



Thanks SSHM now it looks like I have a little reading ahead of me.
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18 May 2008 11:45 PM
palmetto-native
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Im amazed..

the payday lenders havent invaded this thread yet...

they will...

Personally SSHM, I couldnt careless who Sen. Bryant gets his money from..

if anything its helpful to me as a voter (plus its legal for them, so why complain)

because I use the record of donations and compare them to voting records...

for despite the mantra of "i dont sell my vote" from every politician out there..

the voting records normally show the truth about that...

and rare is the day that a politician takes money from a special interest group and then votes against the wishes of the group that gave the cash...
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19 May 2008 02:30 PM
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Personally SSHM, I couldnt careless who Sen. Bryant gets his money from..

if anything its helpful to me as a voter (plus its legal for them, so why complain)

because I use the record of donations and compare them to voting records...

for despite the mantra of "i dont sell my vote" from every politician out there..

the voting records normally show the truth about that...

and rare is the day that a politician takes money from a special interest group and then votes against the wishes of the group that gave the cash...

- palmetto_native



I generally agree.

However, noting how many polarizing stands Bryant has taken on issues during his time in Columbia, you bet I'm going to follow with due dilligence and see if "x" vote equals to "y" contributer.

I just find it remarkable that a stand of neutrality rewards a person, specifically with $1500 to date. He has a solid stand on a number of social issues ... you'd THINK the economic issues would be easy as pie to decide on . . .

Hmmm ... I guess not.

Hypocrisy should be Bryant's middle name. I'll ask scalwag to address in another thread.


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19 May 2008 02:44 PM
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Are we finally beginning to see the light about Bryant now???? Hell, I attack him a while back for doing nothing in the State Senate but following the status quo and you jump all over me defending him, and now you're attack his ethics......Are we finally beginning to open our eyes about lazy useless excuse for a carbon life form ????

He sits around and collects a check for doing NOTHING, now he's doing everything he can to keep his check or doing NOTHING.....Not to mention you can't even get a straight answer from the guy!!!!

Oh yea, don't forget his big impressive .034 success rate.......

What a waste of oxygen and flesh....
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19 May 2008 07:04 PM
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Are we finally beginning to see the light about Bryant now???? Hell, I attack him a while back for doing nothing in the State Senate but following the status quo and you jump all over me defending him, and now you're attack his ethics......Are we finally beginning to open our eyes about lazy useless excuse for a carbon life form ????

He sits around and collects a check for doing NOTHING, now he's doing everything he can to keep his check or doing NOTHING.....Not to mention you can't even get a straight answer from the guy!!!!

Oh yea, don't forget his big impressive .034 success rate.......

What a waste of oxygen and flesh....

- zn706



One thing you cannot say about Bryant is that he follows the status quo.

That's a joke. He is down there shaking up a few things. Maybe not the most popular things with his collegues or you liberals, but nevertheless he's doing what he said he would do.
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19 May 2008 08:32 PM
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One thing you cannot say about Bryant is that he follows the status quo.

- willieh



(*cough* Barbara Streisand *cough*)

When your State Senator spends a substantial amount of time at the SC Policy Council Office in Columbia (last report - 3 days a week), you have to wonder about that "not following the status quo."

SC Policy Council?

While this group does indeed churn out some excellent policy wonk material, the big problem is *THE* Status Quo uses them to write a lot of the policy and procedures you see in SC Government.

Specifically:

Glenn "Status Quo" McConnell - SC Senate President Pro Tempore.

Bobby "Status Quo" Harrell - Speaker of the SC House.

Simply put, don't try to dress Sen. Bryant as some rebel fighting the good fight and avoiding the status quo in Columbia. To the contrary - he has embraced it and wears it like the emperor's new clothes.

Bring Sen. Bryant home for good this November folks.


- SSHM
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