raise taxes, run up credit cards, and tout third world industries coming here

Shih, the term "misappropriaton of funds" carries a legal connotation under Home Rule that is just not here in this case. I'm not playing a game of semantics. You are.

Yes, in my former life, we pursued grant funding (actually, funding from the state's Budget & Control Board, which is South Carolina's means of diverting funds to unexpected needs) to either provide water to areas who did not have public water and had problems with their wells or to areas where existing water lines were problematic.

Sometimes, we were successful. Sometimes, we weren't. But never - EVER - was that process a quick one. If County Council had to respond to every pressing need (emergency or not) through that cumbersome process, County Council would not be doing its job.

County Council voted to approve Cindy Wilson's request for funds for a water line. Whether you agree with their using paving funds for that purpose or not, it is a misappropriation of funds only in your head, not under the law.

Now, do I agree with using funds earmarked for one purpose for a totally different purpose? Generally, no. But I do think County Council has a duty to reserve its right to do that in some circumstances IF IT SERVES THE NEEDS OF THE PUBLIC.

That's what Council did in this case. Afterwards, they tightened their rules for use of those funds. But EVERYTHING WAS DONE BY THE BOOK, whether you agree with their decision or not.

There are so many legal issues in Anderson County that would make great political fodder, but this isn't one of them.

SSHM, I'll use the same tactic you used against me against Shih here: Misappropriation of public funds is a legal term that carries a legal penalty. Who's paid the penalty for that misappropriation? Who's been arrested and charged?

Turning a legitimate Council action into something sinister is the same tactic Cindy Wilson uses against Joey Preston frequently. If you're using against her the same tactic you decry when she uses it against Preston, what makes you any better than her, Shih?

SSHM, I'll use the same tactic you used against me against Shih here: Misappropriation of public funds is a legal term that carries a legal penalty. Who's paid the penalty for that misappropriation? Who's been arrested and charged?

- JDTippett

That's an easy answer: No one .... yet.

- SSHM

So, SSHM, if you tell me, or Stan Welch, that there is no misappropriation of funds regarding those county credit cards because NOBODY'S BEEN CHARGED OR ARRESTED FOR IT and we say, "...YET" you would accept that answer?

Talk about chasing rabbits..nice diversion there guys

that subdivision that cindi "helped" out was what....500 or 600 yards of lines?

so where does the remaining 69 1/2 MILES of water lines come from?

thats called LYING...but that has yet to bother you when its cindi doing the lying..

i want more info on that, and there apparently is no proof, other than a dimly remembered meeting of 6 yes ago where she gave welfare to people, while others, like me, had to pay 100% of the cost of our lines..

Palmetto Native, I'm not arguing over whether it was appropriate, wise or fair. I'm just disputing whether it's a "misappropriation of funds" since County Council, which has the clear authority to appropriate funds, did do by public vote.

I'll leave the peeing contest over who's lying and who's not to y'all. Try not to pass a stone, okay?

Talk about chasing rabbits..nice diversion there guys

that subdivision that cindi "helped" out was what....500 or 600 yards of lines?

so where does the remaining 69 1/2 MILES of water lines come from?

thats called LYING...but that has yet to bother you when its cindi doing the lying..

i want more info on that, and there apparently is no proof, other than a dimly remembered meeting of 6 yes ago where she gave welfare to people, while others, like me, had to pay 100% of the cost of our lines..

- palmetto_native

The entire council wanted that money to go for the water lines. I do not know how much line was installed before or since: Don't really care. I haven't heard her say how much water line was installed. I am not in a position to say she is lying about anything. (Read that as I don't know).

I just wanted to point out that Ms Wilson was instrumental in getting water to some homes.
I attended the meeting when the votes were taken.

I wasn't trying to create a diversion. Just passing information. And I guess if anyone was really serious about getting more information they could submit a FOIA request.

It is my understanding that water lines is not all Cindy Wilson Used her paving funds for, there were many other pork barrel things she squandered the money that was needed for safe roads on.

As far as the other 69.5 miles, Cindy Wilson is trying to take credit for the illegal implementation of impact fees placed by Big Creek Water, paid by developers, and used by Big Creek Water to put in those lines. Check it out. There are laws governing impact fees and the implementation thereof. All of said laws were ignored and broken when Big Creek Water did what they have done. It is only a matter of time before the developers have spent enough money to take them to court.

I got an anti-Cindy Wilson post card today that said it was paid for from a group that I've never heard of: Voters for Accountability in Government and Conservative Republicans. Does anybody know anything about this group or who's in it?

I have no idea, Lee, but it seems to me that a group called "Voters for Accountability in Government" would be sending out PRO-CINDY WILSON literature.

Perhaps someone has misrepresented themselves ... again.

Those 70 miles of waterlines appear the only accomplishment that cindi is claiming in 8 years..

sadly, they appear to be a mirage, like every other one of her claims..

even more sad is that her inability to tell the truth, once again, is accepted without comment or regard by people that think of themselves ar moral and Christian..

Pappy..I wonder if any of those 70 miles of water lines ended up in the city system??

wouldnt that be poetic to have her take your money and use it to pay for free water lines for someone else that the city then charged 100% surcharge on...

by the way, 70 miles of water lines would run a line from the courthouse to the other side of Spartanburg..

are there even 70 miles of water lines in her district in total?

Shih, if County Council voted 6-0-1 to use those funds for that water line instead of for recreation or for roads, that IS NOT A MISAPPROPRIATION OF FUNDS. That's Council's right to do that.

I agree with somebody else who earlier said that making a political issue out of Council getting water to people who need it will only HELP Cindy Wilson, not hurt her.

I read you posts here and your posts on McCarty's blog and sometimes wonder who's the bigger nut - you or CW. I think you may have her beat.

- JDTippett

I don't post on Brian McCarty's blog. I don't even read it because I think Brian McCarty is a bad person and is only trying to step on people. This is the only blog on which I participate. Brian McCarty has a habit of doing this sort of thing.

It is for that reason he removed the times that posts are made. SSHM called him on it and he removed the times so that no one could tell he was talking to himself.

Be carful, don't get pulled into McCarty's game. He truly is troubled. The only reason I went after Brian is because he tried to personally destroy someone I hold in high respect. Then he tried to play the innocent victim.

Quite honestly I have held you in high respect and am very sorry you are getting pulled into his emotional turmoil. Brian is not to be believed or trusted. He is to be pitied.

- Shih

Instead of continuing your libel of Brian McCarty, why not answer the questions put to you? Who is going to sue Big Creek? What damage has been done? You and SSHM had two rather softball questions tossed to you, and all you could do was talk about Brian McCarty.

Did Brian McCarty work on the water deal? Educate us how he is relevant to the charges you are making about the water lines.

You had the chance to answer who was going to sue and why. SSHM had the chance to talk about how Doug Hooper would help Honea Path. Instead of answering the questions, both of you talk about Brian McCarty.

Next thing you know, you will tell us Brian McCarty told Bush to invade Iraq and it would be easy.

Shih, if County Council voted 6-0-1 to use those funds for that water line instead of for recreation or for roads, that IS NOT A MISAPPROPRIATION OF FUNDS. That's Council's right to do that.

I agree with somebody else who earlier said that making a political issue out of Council getting water to people who need it will only HELP Cindy Wilson, not hurt her.

I read you posts here and your posts on McCarty's blog and sometimes wonder who's the bigger nut - you or CW. I think you may have her beat.

- JDTippett

I don't post on Brian McCarty's blog. I don't even read it because I think Brian McCarty is a bad person and is only trying to step on people. This is the only blog on which I participate. Brian McCarty has a habit of doing this sort of thing.

It is for that reason he removed the times that posts are made. SSHM called him on it and he removed the times so that no one could tell he was talking to himself.

Be carful, don't get pulled into McCarty's game. He truly is troubled. The only reason I went after Brian is because he tried to personally destroy someone I hold in high respect. Then he tried to play the innocent victim.

Quite honestly I have held you in high respect and am very sorry you are getting pulled into his emotional turmoil. Brian is not to be believed or trusted. He is to be pitied.

- Shih

I will also state that is possible that the shih who posts here is not the shih who posts on McCarty's blog. If you know anything at all about that blogger service, you know one can pick a pen name without logging in. Further, the time/date stamps are controlled by the provider. Times can be manipulated by clever posters who want to appear to post at a certain time for whatever reason.

What some might not know is the posts allowed on that blog were moderated. They are rather tame from what I understand compared to those not allowed forward. Those posts not allowed to go up have been printed out and filed.

A clever poster could use a nickname familar to folks in Anderson, manipulate the time stamp and then scream to high heavens it was someone else.

It would be an especially effective way to try to silence someone who dares to question the political positions of one's benefactors.

I am not saying that is the case, I am just saying, that's a possibility.

As for the accusations against McCarty, well, who really cares, the fact the questions are not answered instead speaks volumes above whatever trash being said.

I got an anti-Cindy Wilson post card today that said it was paid for from a group that I've never heard of: Voters for Accountability in Government and Conservative Republicans. Does anybody know anything about this group or who's in it?

- Lee Cole

No. Here's an idea, though. Look at the postage. If was stamped with a typical stamp, there is not much you can do. However, if was stamped with a postage frank with a number, you can find out who matches that number. Contact the postal service.

Further, you can file a complaint with the SC Ethics Commission as well if you see fit. If the piece advocates Hooper for Council, than it has to be an inkind contribution under the limits.

There will be a slew of these type of mailouts this primary season. The most clever of groups takes the financial hit and uses a regular stamp intead of getting a bulk rate number.

It looks like whoever did this was pretty smart about it. It has a regular stamp and a Greenville postmark. It doesn't specifically reference Hooper it just says "We need a change." Do groups like this have to file any type of ethics disclosures? I didn't think they did in SC, but I could be wrong. I'll try to scan it in and upload it on here if I can figure out how.

It looks like whoever did this was pretty smart about it. It has a regular stamp and a Greenville postmark. It doesn't specifically reference Hooper it just says "We need a change." Do groups like this have to file any type of ethics disclosures? I didn't think they did in SC, but I could be wrong. I'll try to scan it in and upload it on here if I can figure out how.

- Lee Cole

What you have in your hand is a mail from the grey area of poltiics. If they are advocating a candidate, it has to be disclosed. They did not. And, even if they did, you would have hard time tracing them down since that bit the bullet and paid for a full priced stamp.

It is right out of my old playbook, except for I would have dropped each town's mail in the local post box and got the local stamp.

But, still, it tells us that Hooper has some smart guys with him.

Someone had better get Cindy a mailout with firefighter endorsements quick.

Against my better judgment I'll enter into the "misappropriation of funds" debate.

What the council did was re-allocate funds previously budgeted for another purpose. Cindy led the charge and took credit for it. To argue about whether it was "legal" or not is silly. The better question is: was it wise? Under the circumstances (based on Ed's comments) it was wise and compassionate.

The second question: Does Cindy rightfully claim credit as a champion of those in need? That seems pretty spurious. Sounds to me like she has pursued a politics for some time which impoverishes her district, refuses to responsibly budget (and raise funds for that budget) and then jumps to attention with emergency action. I sincerely hope the whole thing was not premeditated to be used politically. But at the least she has contributed to the problem, used Peter's money to pay Paul, and then sought to take credit for it as though she were some sort of Robin Hood. Sad.

Bump to give SSHM a chance to answer how Doug Hooper will help Honea Path clean up the old mill site and for Shih to answer who is going to sue Big Creek and what damage has been done.

It looks like whoever did this was pretty smart about it. It has a regular stamp and a Greenville postmark. It doesn't specifically reference Hooper it just says "We need a change." Do groups like this have to file any type of ethics disclosures? I didn't think they did in SC, but I could be wrong. I'll try to scan it in and upload it on here if I can figure out how.

- Lee Cole

What you have in your hand is a mail from the grey area of poltiics. If they are advocating a candidate, it has to be disclosed. They did not. And, even if they did, you would have hard time tracing them down since that bit the bullet and paid for a full priced stamp.

It is right out of my old playbook, except for I would have dropped each town's mail in the local post box and got the local stamp.

But, still, it tells us that Hooper has some smart guys with him.

Someone had better get Cindy a mailout with firefighter endorsements quick.

- coke_stevenson

Doug Hooper couldn't beat Cindy Wilson if Rudy Freakin' Guiliani came down here and campaigned for him. Go back two years on this blog and read all the heavy breathing about how Ed Jean was gonna beat her. A bunch of smart guys ran a brochure for Ed thatused a bunch of mismatched and non-existent headlines and stories that reportedly came from local newspapers. Biggest bunch of lies since the Swift boat stuff.Then read the June 15th blogs and see how that worked out. Gonna get Do-ugly!!

It looks like whoever did this was pretty smart about it. It has a regular stamp and a Greenville postmark. It doesn't specifically reference Hooper it just says "We need a change." Do groups like this have to file any type of ethics disclosures? I didn't think they did in SC, but I could be wrong. I'll try to scan it in and upload it on here if I can figure out how.

- Lee Cole

What you have in your hand is a mail from the grey area of poltiics. If they are advocating a candidate, it has to be disclosed. They did not. And, even if they did, you would have hard time tracing them down since that bit the bullet and paid for a full priced stamp.

It is right out of my old playbook, except for I would have dropped each town's mail in the local post box and got the local stamp.

But, still, it tells us that Hooper has some smart guys with him.

Someone had better get Cindy a mailout with firefighter endorsements quick.

- coke_stevenson

Doug Hooper couldn't beat Cindy Wilson if Rudy Freakin' Guiliani came down here and campaigned for him. Go back two years on this blog and read all the heavy breathing about how Ed Jean was gonna beat her. A bunch of smart guys ran a brochure for Ed thatused a bunch of mismatched and non-existent headlines and stories that reportedly came from local newspapers. Biggest bunch of lies since the Swift boat stuff.Then read the June 15th blogs and see how that worked out. Gonna get Do-ugly!!

- friedgreenmater

I bet there have been close to $100,000.00 spent against Cindy Wilson during the last 6 years, just during the campaigns. That doesn't include the "free" bashing she has taken from the Insufficient Mail.

And guess what? She wins, and wins big. Hooper will have to take about 17% away from her. Ain't gonna happen. Cindy wins big again.

I can't wait to see the blog on June 11. It will be dead on June 15th. What a joke.