Has anyone ever thought what it must be like for the poor animals who are caught by the public and trapped by the animal control officers and sent to the animal shelters of our state? they are locked in buildings and wait for someone, anyone to come and help them escape a death date, and they wait and they wait.
Have you ever wondered what you might do to help these poor animals?
Have you ever gone to your local animal shelter to just walk a shelter dog? take a treat? bathe a shelter animal? ask the staff what you can do to better the lives of their sheltered animal?
Did you know almost any given time your shelter could use your time and service to hand feed orphaned kittens or puppies? or to help give medication to the many sick shelter animals the staff tries so hard to save so they can find good adoptive homes?
Did you know you could lock animals in a multi-million dollar, brand new sterile building a after the 2nd animal arrived there, disease would begin to spread?
Did you know it matters not where or who is housing the animals, sickness will follow?
Did you know if just half of the sheltered animals in your county were sick and required medication 3 times a day, you would need 5 full time employees just to medicate the animals for 1 day?
Have you ever even thought to ask about animal welfare agencies in the county of Anderson, and ask to find out what the really good rescue and welfare organizations do for the sheltered animals in your area?
Have you really thought what life must be like to be locked in a building and await a death date or wait on a really nice person to come by and walk or bathe you while you wait?
Wait on rescue by a really nice person or a really good animal welfare group or death?
Try making life a better place for the sheltered animals in your county, get involved, help the shelter hold adoptions somewhere other than the shelter, get the dogs out for a bath or a walk, help the caged animals of your county find the great home they deserve.
Are your personal animals pets or property?
Are your personal animals spayed or neutered?
Have you ever contributed to the number of animals entering your county shelter because you did not spay or neuter your pet?
Go to your shelter today and ask the staff what you can do to make life better for the sheltered animal in your community.
Help your local shelter staff better the lives of the less fortunate, and stop fault finding those who do try to make life a better place for the animals while they wait.
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Animal Welfare Organizations in Anderson, S.C.
Did you know that we have millions of people without access to healthcare in this country?
Did you know that we have 15 million illegal immigrants that we don't know what to do with?
Did you know we have a serious problem with incarceration in this country? Over 1 in 100 adults are now in prison.
Did you know that we have now lost over 4,000 American lives in the Iraqi boondoggle?
Not to belittle your love for animals--its great that you care so much about something. I just wish you'd show a little concern for your fellow man also. We've had several people pushing "animals-rights" on this forum and they haven't seemed to care about anything else.
The incident with the animal shelter receiving an outpouring of donations after losing a sponsorship was truly touching. But why can't people show the same charity when it comes to stocking up our local soup kitchens?
If you want to take positive steps towards a better lifestyle for everyone, vote Democrat! The Republican mentality teaches you to care only about yourself and nothing else, and that is what causes animal overpopulation. What incentive do you have to contribute to the community if its all about yourself?
Did you know that we have 15 million illegal immigrants that we don't know what to do with?
Did you know we have a serious problem with incarceration in this country? Over 1 in 100 adults are now in prison.
Did you know that we have now lost over 4,000 American lives in the Iraqi boondoggle?
Not to belittle your love for animals--its great that you care so much about something. I just wish you'd show a little concern for your fellow man also. We've had several people pushing "animals-rights" on this forum and they haven't seemed to care about anything else.
The incident with the animal shelter receiving an outpouring of donations after losing a sponsorship was truly touching. But why can't people show the same charity when it comes to stocking up our local soup kitchens?
If you want to take positive steps towards a better lifestyle for everyone, vote Democrat! The Republican mentality teaches you to care only about yourself and nothing else, and that is what causes animal overpopulation. What incentive do you have to contribute to the community if its all about yourself?
Did you know that we have millions of people without access to healthcare in this country?
Did you know that we have 15 million illegal immigrants that we don't know what to do with?
Did you know we have a serious problem with incarceration in this country? Over 1 in 100 adults are now in prison.
Did you know that we have now lost over 4,000 American lives in the Iraqi boondoggle?
Not to belittle your love for animals--its great that you care so much about something. I just wish you'd show a little concern for your fellow man also. We've had several people pushing "animals-rights" on this forum and they haven't seemed to care about anything else.
The incident with the animal shelter receiving an outpouring of donations after losing a sponsorship was truly touching. But why can't people show the same charity when it comes to stocking up our local soup kitchens?
If you want to take positive steps towards a better lifestyle for everyone, vote Democrat! The Republican mentality teaches you to care only about yourself and nothing else, and that is what causes animal overpopulation. What incentive do you have to contribute to the community if its all about yourself?- ahammett
I happen to volunteer at my church sponsored soup kitchen and feed the elderly program and a huge supporter and avid member, volunteer and activist for the Mentally ill who lack health coverage in this country, animal welfare happens to be 1 of my many passions and yes I am republican, proud and selfless.
and yes I am republican, proud and selfish.- yadiyadiya
There, fixed that typo for you. If you're such a well rounded person, why do you have to push this animal's rights garbage down our throats with such an offensive attitude?
You people act like the rest of us are monsters because we don't get all worked up about a sick dog going hungry.
and yes I am republican, proud and selfish.- yadiyadiya
There, fixed that typo for you. If you're such a well rounded person, why do you have to push this animal's rights garbage down our throats with such an offensive attitude?
You people act like the rest of us are monsters because we don't get all worked
up about a sick dog going hungry.- ahammett
Not monsters, just ill informed
Did you know that we have millions of people without access to healthcare in this country?
Did you know that we have 15 million illegal immigrants that we don't know what to do with?
Did you know we have a serious problem with incarceration in this country? Over 1 in 100 adults are now in prison.
Did you know that we have now lost over 4,000 American lives in the Iraqi boondoggle?
Not to belittle your love for animals--its great that you care so much about something. I just wish you'd show a little concern for your fellow man also. We've had several people pushing "animals-rights" on this forum and they haven't seemed to care about anything else.
The incident with the animal shelter receiving an outpouring of donations after losing a sponsorship was truly touching. But why can't people show the same charity when it comes to stocking up our local soup kitchens?
If you want to take positive steps towards a better lifestyle for everyone, vote Democrat! The Republican mentality teaches you to care only about yourself and nothing else, and that is what causes animal overpopulation. What incentive do you have to contribute to the community if its all about yourself?- ahammett
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There, fixed that typo for you. If you're such a well rounded person, why do you have to push this animal's rights garbage down our throats with such an offensive attitude?
You people act like the rest of us are monsters because we don't get all worked up about a sick dog going hungry.- ahammett
Wow, I had a smart-aleck answer all typed in but decided to delete it.
I'll just say these three things:
You pick your battles, and we'll pick ours.
Animal rights and animal welfare are two different things.
Gratz on the fastest thread hijack in Cocklebur history.
Well, first of all yidayada is humanizing animals feelings. They do not get caught and *think* "Oh my God, I am in jail". One of the problems I see with animal *rights* groups is they put a human spin on how they believe animals think or feel. Read some books on animal behavior and how their minds work hunters or prey animals, pack, pride or herd animals...they just have instincts and learned behaviors.
Shelters are not the perfect solution however they are the result of people being irresponsible when it comes to animals. If everyone took care of their animals, neutered them and, got them their inoculations, the shelters job would be greatly reduced. That world does not exist so there is free breeding of unwanted animals of all sizes and breeds. The shelter and euthanasia is a better alternative to starvation and the spread of disease. At least it gives some of the unfortunate animals a chance or a better end to life than starving or being injured and left to die. Yes, by all means, go to the shelter, scrub, wash and sanitize, play with, walk and socialize all the animals there - then go home, strip, clean up, sanitize yourself, throw your clothes directly in the wash and do not touch your own animals until you do. However, don't let that stop you from volunteering, just be mindful that while you are loving all the strays, love your own animals enough to be intelligent about helping.
Disease runs through all shelters and unless you had a huge budget and several different buildings well spaced to move the animals through as they were taken in, checked by vets, inoculated, decontaminated, then moved to another building for rehabilitation and then to one where all the animals were healthy, inoculated and ready for adoption you would still not guarantee the place wouldn't be filled with diseases from time to time. Sad as it is this is the reality of what we here in Anderson do and all over the world.
As for Andrew, he is as usual passionate about his ideas and belittles anyone that places a concern on what is not one of his personal agenda. Stringcheese is right, his answer is just an attempt to hijack this thread to address one of his social issues, something I think he has accused others of doing. What Andrew does in his *answer* is to show that while he has all these great caring ideas on how to solve the worlds problems, he lacks compassion. If he had it, he would care about all the vulnerable living animals on this earth including humans. Alas, this is not the case.
Shelters are not the perfect solution however they are the result of people being irresponsible when it comes to animals. If everyone took care of their animals, neutered them and, got them their inoculations, the shelters job would be greatly reduced. That world does not exist so there is free breeding of unwanted animals of all sizes and breeds. The shelter and euthanasia is a better alternative to starvation and the spread of disease. At least it gives some of the unfortunate animals a chance or a better end to life than starving or being injured and left to die. Yes, by all means, go to the shelter, scrub, wash and sanitize, play with, walk and socialize all the animals there - then go home, strip, clean up, sanitize yourself, throw your clothes directly in the wash and do not touch your own animals until you do. However, don't let that stop you from volunteering, just be mindful that while you are loving all the strays, love your own animals enough to be intelligent about helping.
Disease runs through all shelters and unless you had a huge budget and several different buildings well spaced to move the animals through as they were taken in, checked by vets, inoculated, decontaminated, then moved to another building for rehabilitation and then to one where all the animals were healthy, inoculated and ready for adoption you would still not guarantee the place wouldn't be filled with diseases from time to time. Sad as it is this is the reality of what we here in Anderson do and all over the world.
As for Andrew, he is as usual passionate about his ideas and belittles anyone that places a concern on what is not one of his personal agenda. Stringcheese is right, his answer is just an attempt to hijack this thread to address one of his social issues, something I think he has accused others of doing. What Andrew does in his *answer* is to show that while he has all these great caring ideas on how to solve the worlds problems, he lacks compassion. If he had it, he would care about all the vulnerable living animals on this earth including humans. Alas, this is not the case.
Greene,
Your attempt to speak for me is mildly amusing, but it pretty much missed the mark.
I'm just objecting to being demonized for not being obsessed with treating animals as equals. I have plenty of compassion for animals, I just don't equate them with humans.
These animals rights people have a history of coming in here and being nasty towards everybody so I figured it'd be fair to combat them. Their righteousness about animals turns a lot of people off. The issues I posted about aren't "hijacking" the thread.. they are directly relevant.
I'm bringing up a question of priorities. How do we place animal suffering in relation to human suffering? Greene thinks that every animal is on equal footing with humans, and I happen to disagree.
P.S. Attacking me for not having "compassion" is the most hilarious attempt at a personal attack I've seen on this blog in a long time.
Your attempt to speak for me is mildly amusing, but it pretty much missed the mark.
I'm just objecting to being demonized for not being obsessed with treating animals as equals. I have plenty of compassion for animals, I just don't equate them with humans.
These animals rights people have a history of coming in here and being nasty towards everybody so I figured it'd be fair to combat them. Their righteousness about animals turns a lot of people off. The issues I posted about aren't "hijacking" the thread.. they are directly relevant.
I'm bringing up a question of priorities. How do we place animal suffering in relation to human suffering? Greene thinks that every animal is on equal footing with humans, and I happen to disagree.
P.S. Attacking me for not having "compassion" is the most hilarious attempt at a personal attack I've seen on this blog in a long time.
I'm just objecting to being demonized for not being obsessed with treating animals as equals. I have plenty of compassion for animals, I just don't equate them with humans.
These animals rights people have a history of coming in here and being nasty towards everybody so I figured it'd be fair to combat them. Their righteousness about animals turns a lot of people off. The issues I posted about aren't "hijacking" the thread.. they are directly relevant.
- ahammett
Animal Rights ------------ Animal Welfare
Two different "animals".
I'm not aware of any "animal rights" people posting here at all, much less advocating treating animals as equals.
I'm bringing up a question of priorities. How do we place animal suffering in relation to human suffering? Greene thinks that every animal is on equal footing with humans, and I happen to disagree.
- ahammett
So, it is inconceivable to you that people can work on more than one problem at a time?
I see nothing in Green's post that advocates putting animals on an equal footing with humans. For example, he suggests euthanasia as an alternative to starvation.
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I happen to volunteer at my church sponsored soup kitchen and feed the elderly program and a huge supporter and avid member, volunteer and activist for the Mentally ill who lack health coverage in this country, animal welfare happens to be 1 of my many passions and yes I am republican, proud and selfless.- yadiyadiya
Yadiyadiya,
You comment on being a Republican and animal welfare in the same sentence.
Yet hunting and killing deer, doves etc. is part of the Republican creed.
Seems there is some hypocrisy here.
he lacks compassion. If he had it, he would care about all the vulnerable living animals on this earth including humans.- Greene
He seems to be implying a certain level of equality there. Basically, he says that because I don't have the same level of care about animals, I "lack compassion."
What is your interpretation of that?
Thats what I admire the most in Cocklebur threads....the ability to assault and berate those who HAVE taken a "pet project" and ran with it, whether it is a political, social or moral issue.
Yada, we got caught up in the shelter operations fiasco many years ago, under different 'ownership' and mindset. During one of many rescue missions we did, we finally realized no matter how many lives we tried to save,it was a futile effort. For every cage we emptied, the cage refilled immediately. For every animal we found a home for, two more came in and ended up dying. It became an emotional war which there was no end-game.
There is still ignorance and animal haters out there who will continue to breed their 'pets' incessantly, fail to provide safe and healthy environments for them, and think animals have no feelings and therefore are inferior life forms. As you can see, that truism is why the shelter, assorted rescues and animal groups will never find lacking amounts of animals needing care.
While HUMANS can ask for help, animals cannot. HUMANS can seek shelter, food and money, while animals get run over, staked out in a steamy-hot yard on a 6' chain, discarded along roadways and shot at by rednecks for sport.
Can we do that to those less deserving HUMANS? Not hardly. Yet it is acceptable and even expected to treat animals with such little regard due to their inferior species. Every fibre in me makes me angry when I hear that babble that Humans are more important, therefore animals don't deserve such efforts or our concerns.
I cannot address the issues Andrew tossed out there, because I NEVER support a Republican led administration which believes in f**king over the working folks at the earliest opportunity, lines it's pockets with blood-money from a fake war, hires those immigrants you speak of, and rather than treat those in jail, lets just put them out of sight and mind. So what it costs $35K per inmate, we'll get John Q. Public to pick up the tab, I have a luncheon with the Pharmacutical fund-raising delegation.
Oh, BTW, all our extended family is spayed/neutered, with shots and tags as the law requires. I gladly "push" my agenda of animal welfare instead of human 'WELFARE' payments
Yada, we got caught up in the shelter operations fiasco many years ago, under different 'ownership' and mindset. During one of many rescue missions we did, we finally realized no matter how many lives we tried to save,it was a futile effort. For every cage we emptied, the cage refilled immediately. For every animal we found a home for, two more came in and ended up dying. It became an emotional war which there was no end-game.
There is still ignorance and animal haters out there who will continue to breed their 'pets' incessantly, fail to provide safe and healthy environments for them, and think animals have no feelings and therefore are inferior life forms. As you can see, that truism is why the shelter, assorted rescues and animal groups will never find lacking amounts of animals needing care.
While HUMANS can ask for help, animals cannot. HUMANS can seek shelter, food and money, while animals get run over, staked out in a steamy-hot yard on a 6' chain, discarded along roadways and shot at by rednecks for sport.
Can we do that to those less deserving HUMANS? Not hardly. Yet it is acceptable and even expected to treat animals with such little regard due to their inferior species. Every fibre in me makes me angry when I hear that babble that Humans are more important, therefore animals don't deserve such efforts or our concerns.
I cannot address the issues Andrew tossed out there, because I NEVER support a Republican led administration which believes in f**king over the working folks at the earliest opportunity, lines it's pockets with blood-money from a fake war, hires those immigrants you speak of, and rather than treat those in jail, lets just put them out of sight and mind. So what it costs $35K per inmate, we'll get John Q. Public to pick up the tab, I have a luncheon with the Pharmacutical fund-raising delegation.
Oh, BTW, all our extended family is spayed/neutered, with shots and tags as the law requires. I gladly "push" my agenda of animal welfare instead of human 'WELFARE' payments
he lacks compassion. If he had it, he would care about all the vulnerable living animals on this earth including humans.- Greene
He seems to be implying a certain level of equality there. Basically, he says that because I don't have the same level of care about animals, I "lack compassion."
What is your interpretation of that?- ahammett
I think he was responding to your first post, where you started a paragraph with "Not to belittle your love for animals--" and then belittled her love for animals.
he lacks compassion. If he had it, he would care about all the vulnerable living animals on this earth including humans.- Greene
He seems to be implying a certain level of equality there. Basically, he says that because I don't have the same level of care about animals, I "lack compassion."
What is your interpretation of that?- ahammett
I think he was responding to your first post, where you started a paragraph with "Not to belittle your love for animals--" and then belittled her love for animals.- StringCheese
exactly, the belittling did it and I am a he, by the way.
Seriously, what in my first post was "belittling?"
Go read it again and let me know I was debating the issue on a cold, logical level. That isn't belitting, its simply putting emotion aside and using reason.
You right wingers always try to frame people as being "elite" or "latte-sipping" or whatever other code words you have for people who want to engage you in a frank discussion. That's what you're really trying to do by saying that I'm "belittling" you.
Go read it again and let me know I was debating the issue on a cold, logical level. That isn't belitting, its simply putting emotion aside and using reason.
You right wingers always try to frame people as being "elite" or "latte-sipping" or whatever other code words you have for people who want to engage you in a frank discussion. That's what you're really trying to do by saying that I'm "belittling" you.
exactly, the belittling did it and I am a he, by the way.
- yadiyadiya
I thought all 'he' Republicans favored shooting little animals.
Seriously, what in my first post was "belittling?"
Go read it again and let me know I was debating the issue on a cold, logical level. That isn't belitting, its simply putting emotion aside and using reason.
- ahammett
Cold I can agree with. Here's how you belittle: First you say that you're not going to do it, then you "wish" that Yad had started a thread "showing a little concern for your fellow man"....bless his animal-lovin' heart!
By the way, since this thread is about animals, what's your position on animal welfare?
You right wingers always try to frame people as being "elite" or "latte-sipping" or whatever other code words you have for people who want to engage you in a frank discussion. That's what you're really trying to do by saying that I'm "belittling" you.- ahammett
Huh? No, I think "cold" is much more appropriate than "elite" or "latte-sipping".
exactly, the belittling did it and I am a he, by the way.
- yadiyadiya
I thought all 'he' Republicans favored shooting little animals.- PAPPY
Not this Republican!
I thought all 'he' Republicans favored shooting little animals.- PAPPY
So, Pappy, as a Democrat, which do you think is a more important problem, dual water rates or animal abuse? Just trying to get a read on the Democrat's way of thinking.
