295,091 fell for it...........

Sadly, Paul, even us Republicans have our versions of Cindy Shehan and Al Sharpton in our party - clueless demagogues who are more interested in inflaming the issues on which we disagree than in finding common ground that allows us to move forward.

Speaking of which, has anybody seen Hankey lately?

Wait! Wait! I think I just heard him screaming! (Oops, gotta go now. Somebody's knocking on my door with something really heavy.)

Speaking of which, has anybody seen Hankey lately?

- JDTippett

Honestly its been relatively peaceful as of late.
Nice to actually have semi-intellectual dialogue without references to excrement, his collection of unrecycled trash accumulations in his yard, and how many burritos it took to get an idea flowing.
Don't jinx it!

You skipped right over the Republican speaker, the party's floor leader.

Looks like you are biased too!

- JennyWhite

I've openly stated that there isn't one that I will support on either ticket. you can call that bias or the ultimate in neutrality, however you want to look at it.

A response that belies your very shallow thought process or your complete ignorance of the subjects to which you address. Either that or the fact that you just spout something to create entertainment. From what you have stated, all poor have the option to find gainful employment and those employed without health benefits can just go out and obtain a better job that includes health benefits. Please tell me you have a better understanding of the social condition in America that what you have expressed.

- Paul

So people make stupid life choices like smoking crack, or having 5 kids when they're 15 or dropping out of school. Know what, tough crap, its not my fault and it shouldn't be my responsibility AT ALL to help fund their existence unless I choose to. Point out in the Constitution where there is a right to receive public assistance or healthcare. I'll save you the time, it doesn't exist. Everyone has the opportunity to better themselves, its just up to them to do it. My parents didn't have anything to give me. I shared a bedroom in a two bedroom apartment with my older sibling while growing up. I stayed in school, I didn't smoke crack or get into gang violence, I didn't knock up my girlfriend. I worked in high school, I put myself through college, and worked my way into a nice job that pays well. Why becasue I wanted better for my family. Now if I can, anybody else can too. You can wish and want till your heart's content, but without hard work, blood sweat, tears, setbacks, more blood, more sweat and more tears you'll never have anything that you've accomplished on your own. There is more than enough opportunity out there, just get of your a$$ motivate yourself and make it happen. What I've earned and built is mine, and no one else deserves ANY of it except for MY family.

Thats my biggest problem with the liberals, that just want to give it all to those who wish for it and don't want to bust their a$$ to get it, and they want to do this at the expense of those who have worked for it. Thats socialism and NOT the American way.

A response that belies your very shallow thought process or your complete ignorance of the subjects to which you address. Either that or the fact that you just spout something to create entertainment. From what you have stated, all poor have the option to find gainful employment and those employed without health benefits can just go out and obtain a better job that includes health benefits. Please tell me you have a better understanding of the social condition in America that what you have expressed.

- Paul

So people make stupid life choices like smoking crack, or having 5 kids when they're 15 or dropping out of school. Know what, tough crap, its not my fault and it shouldn't be my responsibility AT ALL to help fund their existence unless I choose to. Point out in the Constitution where there is a right to receive public assistance or healthcare. I'll save you the time, it doesn't exist. Everyone has the opportunity to better themselves, its just up to them to do it. My parents didn't have anything to give me. I shared a bedroom in a two bedroom apartment with my older sibling while growing up. I stayed in school, I didn't smoke crack or get into gang violence, I didn't knock up my girlfriend. I worked in high school, I put myself through college, and worked my way into a nice job that pays well. Why becasue I wanted better for my family. Now if I can, anybody else can too. You can wish and want till your heart's content, but without hard work, blood sweat, tears, setbacks, more blood, more sweat and more tears you'll never have anything that you've accomplished on your own. There is more than enough opportunity out there, just get of your a$$ motivate yourself and make it happen. What I've earned and built is mine, and no one else deserves ANY of it except for MY family.

Thats my biggest problem with the liberals, that just want to give it all to those who wish for it and don't want to bust their a$$ to get it, and they want to do this at the expense of those who have worked for it. Thats socialism and NOT the American way.

- zn706

If you think everything that determines a person's ability to be successful is in the full control of that person, then you're operating in a different reality and there's not much use in arguing with you. Your post is the most selfish, stereotyping post I've read on these forums in quite a while.

The American way is (to me) being thankful for life's good blessings and wanting to help others who didn't get so lucky.

That's also underscored in the Christian faith, or at least the one I know. (Who knows, you'll probably say that Christianity tells all of us to hoard our money and spit on poor people.) What do you think of churches that minister to the poor & needy? That's awfully SOCIALIST, isn't it? I mean, taking money from those who have and redistributing some to those who have not...whether it be through a hot dog supper or tithing, it's still redistributing to folks who, in your book, should have just tried harder to get a job or shouldn't have built a house in the path of that tornado or shouldn't have had a child get all sick with a life-threatening illness and have the medical bills cost the family all the money that the dad "earned and built"....shame on that sick kid for taking daddy's own personal wealth that HE earned...

I don't spit on anyone. You missed the line "unless I choose to." I do and have helped several people without ANY compensation what so ever, but I WILL NOT help someone who is unwilling to at least try to better their own situation first. This is capitalism, to have people on the top, you have to have people on the bottom....
Those who I'm always wiling to help are:

1. Disabled Veterans (first and foremost)
2. The truly disabled, blind ,deaf, crippled, truly mentally disabled (Claiming anxiety to claim disability doesn't count)
3. the elderly


Don't try to bring religion into this, religion and politics DO NOT mix....But I will say that welfare / charity should come from the church/NPO ect. and not from the government by forcing "donations" from those who work. You should be able to give your charity to whom you choose.

I sure y'all ain't going to turn this into a theological discussion!
For instance,
Helping people rise above dispair vs. being "Christian" are NOT synonymous.
Talking about God & asking for tythe, vs. helping an elderly woman pay her heating bill isn't Socialism.
Wanting to insure each person has an opportunity to succeed vs. giving money away indiscriminately doesn't equal being a Liberal.

I suggest pick a side and debate that, not include both sides as evil. That is why I dislike theological threads.

So Zn, if we are facing an even bigger economic downturn, what happens if you lose your job? What if your wife loses hers? What then? What if the only other position you can fine pays you 40% of what you have been making? What then?

I don't spit on anyone. You missed the line "unless I choose to." I do and have helped several people without ANY compensation what so ever, but I WILL NOT help someone who is unwilling to at least try to better their own situation first. This is capitalism, to have people on the top, you have to have people on the bottom....
Those who I'm always wiling to help are:

1. Disabled Veterans (first and foremost)
2. The truly disabled, blind ,deaf, crippled, truly mentally disabled (Claiming anxiety to claim disability doesn't count)
3. the elderly


Don't try to bring religion into this, religion and politics DO NOT mix....But I will say that welfare / charity should come from the church/NPO ect. and not from the government by forcing "donations" from those who work. You should be able to give your charity to whom you choose.

- zn706

The problem there is that you assume people are unwilling. It's sort of like the healthcare problem...folks aren't UNWILLING to get insurance, it's just too darn expensive. (Obama = public/private effort to make healthcare more affordable, not mandate it)

I brought religion into this because my faith teaches me that people ought to have a decent shot at life. Our priorities are currently prohibiting that. In the words of Senator Obama, "No, people don't expect government to solve all their problems. But they sense, deep in their bones, that with just a change in priorities, we can make sure that every child in America has a decent shot at life, and that the doors of opportunity remain open to all.

Those who I'm always wiling to help are:

3. the elderly



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- zn706

So, where's my check ?