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could someone tell me what changes to anderson county's animal ordinances that Gracie Floyd has recommended and/or gotten approved?
Kharmakameleon,
Ms. Gracie Floyd worked very hard to develop a County Animal Ordinance that is more humane to animals and more enforceable by County Animal Control Officers. However, some animal lovers with passion for animals, but no understanding of the law, fought her every step of the way. Consequently, her efforts were derailed, and the animals lost the added protection they needed.
Ms. Gracie Floyd worked very hard to develop a County Animal Ordinance that is more humane to animals and more enforceable by County Animal Control Officers. However, some animal lovers with passion for animals, but no understanding of the law, fought her every step of the way. Consequently, her efforts were derailed, and the animals lost the added protection they needed.
Kharmakameleon,
Ms. Gracie Floyd worked very hard to develop a County Animal Ordinance that is more humane to animals and more enforceable by County Animal Control Officers. However, some animal lovers with passion for animals, but no understanding of the law, fought her every step of the way. Consequently, her efforts were derailed, and the animals lost the added protection they needed.
- Art Kaldas
Hmmm, that's quite an "interesting" revisionist view of what happened, Art. Karma, here's a thread from that time discussing the proposed ordinance. You can decide for yourself.
The short story is that the current Anderson County ordinance does not address large animal abuse, only small animals, really just dogs and cats. State law does address abuse of any animal, large or small, but the county Animal Control officers effectively cannot enforce that law.
The project was supposed to add protection for large animals to the county ordinance, but instead ended up being a giant fiasco, with people speaking out of both sides of their mouths, and back room deals, such that the resulting proposed ordinance changed just about everything but DID NOT ADDRESS LARGE ANIMAL ABUSE!!!
In fact, the proposed ordinance explicitly stated that for large animals the State law should be used.....duh!!!
The provision that got everyone upset and really derailed the project was the outlawing of animal sales at flea markets. As you can imagine, that got quite a reaction, ultimately causing Ms. Floyd to table the ordinance.
Since then the Anderson County Animal Control Department has stopped taking large animal calls completely. The Sheriff now takes these calls and, with the help of volunteer organizations, is starting to address some large animal abuse situations, mostly for horses.
String Cheese,
Looking back on what happened during the intense debate over the attempts of improve the County’s animal ordinance, I came to the following understanding:
• Animal lovers and advocates came to the Council meeting, and they introduced a convincing presentation concerning the need to improve the County’s animal ordinance.
• Ms. Gracie Floyd decided to respond by creating a committee and starting a lengthy study of the issues.
• Animal lovers and advocates wanted a revolution, not an evolution, which included demanding that the County includes large animals and agricultural animals in the ordinance.
• State laws and County resources did not allow for such a revolutionary change, which caused animal lovers and advocates to become openly angry.
• Consequently, the whole initiative by Ms. Gracie Floyd was caught in the cross fire, and it died before a second arrival to a Council meeting.
Looking back on what happened during the intense debate over the attempts of improve the County’s animal ordinance, I came to the following understanding:
• Animal lovers and advocates came to the Council meeting, and they introduced a convincing presentation concerning the need to improve the County’s animal ordinance.
• Ms. Gracie Floyd decided to respond by creating a committee and starting a lengthy study of the issues.
• Animal lovers and advocates wanted a revolution, not an evolution, which included demanding that the County includes large animals and agricultural animals in the ordinance.
• State laws and County resources did not allow for such a revolutionary change, which caused animal lovers and advocates to become openly angry.
• Consequently, the whole initiative by Ms. Gracie Floyd was caught in the cross fire, and it died before a second arrival to a Council meeting.
Okay - well in Oct of 2006 more than a few people got together to request the county to make a simply change in our county ordinances to define "animal to be all vertebrates of the" non-human vertebrate group. This is not exactly animal rights groups verbage
Gracie Floyd took it upon herself to take this mission on and at first she was doing great but Art is dead wrong that the "animal rights people" went awry. Captain Keith Bowman one day showed up - not invited on her Committee and after lots of hours alone with Adam Artigilere (McNair Lair Law Firm at the expense of the county) at the next committee meeting had added 500+ changes to the proposed ordinances no one on the committee had previously heard of, or agreed to. Add to that Larry Greer said that his cattle raising friends were not going to be told what kind of fencing to have and you had a disaster. (I would not consider Captain Bowman or Larry Greer animals rights activists but if Art wishes, so be it.) In the end the county paid for a 50+ page ordinance that disallowed cats from sleeping on the neighbors cars and failed at address large animals. Keep in mind the county requested thousands of dollars that August of 2006 to train the Animal Control Officers in large animal cruelty investigations and technical large animal emergency rescue techniques using The untold federal CART training dollars and then when the ordinance failed - quit doing large animals. Captain Bowman actually attended three hours of the training but in a fluke received the certificate which he later had acknowledged in a county council meeting as certification he had "earned". He had not earned this certificate but those that knew at the time were allegedly too embarrassed for him to publicly say anything.
One big problem or solution was that while Larry might have thought he was working for his cattlemen friends, in truth, he failed. To get insurance as a farmer you have to have adequate fencing and the laws of this state were very specific in the the fencing and standards and of care or, "minimum standards of care" so while he had the chance to address them on a county level he abandoned his friends to state law. While Crenshaw is being killed over his budget issues, the County Animal Control fails to say they have passed over 1/3 of their call load in to the Sheriff and his staff - without any budget considerations, Taylor Jones & Captain Bowman creep out of enforcing the laws it like vermin.
To the rescue of the large animals came the Sheriff. Without any additional funds he figured out after the fact his department had no choice but to uphold all the SC State Laws and now we have a pro-active law enforcement agency that looks after all large animals. Even though the county has no facilities to take in seized large animals for violating the laws, he found people who would assist with the rehabilitation and care of these animals until the court cases were resolved.
If you want to verify any of this you can read the past threads over this. You can also ask some of the key players for the many drafts to the ordinances or the county (unless they can figure out how not to disclose them ),or you can turn to the Anderson Humane Society, the Manager of the Anderson Shelter, Ms. Dodd or any other member or visiting members to the committee like Cindy Wilson, who all have copies of the many changes and proof of how this fell apart. Ms. Floyd may have started off well but at some point she lost control and conceded to forces that were not interested in large animal laws or over sight of their care.
In the end, perhaps it all worked out for the best. Certainly for the large animals. The Sheriff has managed starving goats, cows and horses. Cases of clear large animal abuse fell under the table when Animal Control had the responsibility. Now the cases are investigated and the follow up is thorough and comprehensive.
In fact while many consider Stan Welch and Rick Driver to be the anti-Christ of the county, they have all the notes and recordings of meetings where all this was discussed and shoved under the table.
Meetings have been held with many really concerned people that wanted a better alternative to having the Sheriff tied up enforcing Animal Laws. I know more than one person that suggested that if Animal Control couldn't enforce the laws then they could act as DSS does for abused children cases
Gracie Floyd took it upon herself to take this mission on and at first she was doing great but Art is dead wrong that the "animal rights people" went awry. Captain Keith Bowman one day showed up - not invited on her Committee and after lots of hours alone with Adam Artigilere (McNair Lair Law Firm at the expense of the county) at the next committee meeting had added 500+ changes to the proposed ordinances no one on the committee had previously heard of, or agreed to. Add to that Larry Greer said that his cattle raising friends were not going to be told what kind of fencing to have and you had a disaster. (I would not consider Captain Bowman or Larry Greer animals rights activists but if Art wishes, so be it.) In the end the county paid for a 50+ page ordinance that disallowed cats from sleeping on the neighbors cars and failed at address large animals. Keep in mind the county requested thousands of dollars that August of 2006 to train the Animal Control Officers in large animal cruelty investigations and technical large animal emergency rescue techniques using The untold federal CART training dollars and then when the ordinance failed - quit doing large animals. Captain Bowman actually attended three hours of the training but in a fluke received the certificate which he later had acknowledged in a county council meeting as certification he had "earned". He had not earned this certificate but those that knew at the time were allegedly too embarrassed for him to publicly say anything.
One big problem or solution was that while Larry might have thought he was working for his cattlemen friends, in truth, he failed. To get insurance as a farmer you have to have adequate fencing and the laws of this state were very specific in the the fencing and standards and of care or, "minimum standards of care" so while he had the chance to address them on a county level he abandoned his friends to state law. While Crenshaw is being killed over his budget issues, the County Animal Control fails to say they have passed over 1/3 of their call load in to the Sheriff and his staff - without any budget considerations, Taylor Jones & Captain Bowman creep out of enforcing the laws it like vermin.
To the rescue of the large animals came the Sheriff. Without any additional funds he figured out after the fact his department had no choice but to uphold all the SC State Laws and now we have a pro-active law enforcement agency that looks after all large animals. Even though the county has no facilities to take in seized large animals for violating the laws, he found people who would assist with the rehabilitation and care of these animals until the court cases were resolved.
If you want to verify any of this you can read the past threads over this. You can also ask some of the key players for the many drafts to the ordinances or the county (unless they can figure out how not to disclose them ),or you can turn to the Anderson Humane Society, the Manager of the Anderson Shelter, Ms. Dodd or any other member or visiting members to the committee like Cindy Wilson, who all have copies of the many changes and proof of how this fell apart. Ms. Floyd may have started off well but at some point she lost control and conceded to forces that were not interested in large animal laws or over sight of their care.
In the end, perhaps it all worked out for the best. Certainly for the large animals. The Sheriff has managed starving goats, cows and horses. Cases of clear large animal abuse fell under the table when Animal Control had the responsibility. Now the cases are investigated and the follow up is thorough and comprehensive.
In fact while many consider Stan Welch and Rick Driver to be the anti-Christ of the county, they have all the notes and recordings of meetings where all this was discussed and shoved under the table.
Meetings have been held with many really concerned people that wanted a better alternative to having the Sheriff tied up enforcing Animal Laws. I know more than one person that suggested that if Animal Control couldn't enforce the laws then they could act as DSS does for abused children cases
i guess what i was trying to get at is pretty simple. with the gross overpopulation of common domestic pets, i.e. dogs and cats, along with the blatant abuse and neglect-in conjunction with a busting at the seams animal shelter. Shouldn't it make a lot of people angry that becuase so many animal issues were raised, and the proverbial waters muddied, that so littlle was accomplished? i'm certainly not trying to say that large animals should not be addressed, but when we're talking about such a failing system in general, isn't it a good idea to at least start somewhere?
Kharmakameleon,Hey, Art, when are you and Gracie going to announce your engagement?
Ms. Gracie Floyd worked very hard to develop a County Animal Ordinance that is more humane to animals and more enforceable by County Animal Control Officers. However, some animal lovers with passion for animals, but no understanding of the law, fought her every step of the way. Consequently, her efforts were derailed, and the animals lost the added protection they needed.
- Art Kaldas
That animal ordinance was so butchered that the animal control officer who led the effort to get the ordinance later rejected the entire effort, saying it had resulted in 600 revisions ot the existing ordinance without achieving what the three simple changes asked for would have achieved. Gracie botched and staggered and stumbled through it all like she does most other things. Of course, McNair Law Firm got to bill several dozen hours for their sterling work,so it all worked out in the end. I know you don't like to hear that about the beloved Mrs. G, but it's a fact.
i guess what i was trying to get at is pretty simple. with the gross overpopulation of common domestic pets, i.e. dogs and cats, along with the blatant abuse and neglect-in conjunction with a busting at the seams animal shelter. Shouldn't it make a lot of people angry that becuase so many animal issues were raised, and the proverbial waters muddied, that so littlle was accomplished?- kharmakameleon
Absolutely it SHOULD make people angry. But then again, you are living in the back-azzed, head in the sand world of Southern ignorance at it's epitome!
Many "modern" states have animal regulations regarding spay/neuter requirements, amounts of animals one may own and the licensing of same
The problem isn't better laws it's about enforcing the laws and making better owners. In the US you would be hard pressed to get a laws passed that say "no backyard breeding of ANY animal not for human consumption". We can't even shut down puppy mills. Have a walk down the Jockey lot on a nice spring day and check out the quality of dogs being sold - in bred, bad hip, many with parvo.
When the ordinance was discussed and shutting down the puppy row at the Jockey Lot was on the table, the owner promised to self regulate. Nothing has changes now that it's a forgotten issue. Lexington County was also shutting down the pet sales at flea markets. See if they actually did it or backed down as did our county. The Jockey lot owner has a lot of land and influence here in Anderson so when he objected, Gracie patted his hand and told everyone he would "take care of it".
You could also move to Honea Path, Star or Iva and start a shelter. Just be careful - someone dropped off a pitbull at a private shelter putting it in with chihuahuas and before the owners could do anything the pit bull had pretty much killed those in the pen.
The problem is really about people, those that care and are responsible and those that do not care and are not responsible.
When the ordinance was discussed and shutting down the puppy row at the Jockey Lot was on the table, the owner promised to self regulate. Nothing has changes now that it's a forgotten issue. Lexington County was also shutting down the pet sales at flea markets. See if they actually did it or backed down as did our county. The Jockey lot owner has a lot of land and influence here in Anderson so when he objected, Gracie patted his hand and told everyone he would "take care of it".
You could also move to Honea Path, Star or Iva and start a shelter. Just be careful - someone dropped off a pitbull at a private shelter putting it in with chihuahuas and before the owners could do anything the pit bull had pretty much killed those in the pen.
The problem is really about people, those that care and are responsible and those that do not care and are not responsible.
wyatt1sc - I would have to disagree, Bowman is a problem . He'll tell you anything that sounds good and keep doing the same nothing. He has Animal Control Officers trying to make things better and do their jobs but most of his resources go to the little patrol boys. Can you tell me why all his officers can't do animal control and liter violations? It has nothing to do with laws, just work supervision diligence where public funds are concerned. At one time they were all cross trained but once he and his supervisor smelled power, they became the worst kind of public servant, payroll gluttons.
Every Officer in Bowman's "command" should be out there picking up strays, setting up traps and helping with animals. It's all about the excuses and management that allows such waste. Michelle is one of the few employees that can take chicken poop and turn it into chicken salad where those animals are concerned.
Every Officer in Bowman's "command" should be out there picking up strays, setting up traps and helping with animals. It's all about the excuses and management that allows such waste. Michelle is one of the few employees that can take chicken poop and turn it into chicken salad where those animals are concerned.
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But then again, I return to the fact that Anderson is small minded and weak in will to change anything for the betterment of it's citizens. Hence why this berg is faltering in attracting new business, making new alliances with corporations, and home ownership is dropping. Due to lackluster performance by the County Council regarding anything which doesn't draw press coverage, issues like animal welfare falls somewhere below who's using County credit cards to shop at Pandora's Boxx.- wyatt1sc
I miised that line item - dare I need to guess who that was?
wyatt1sc-i like the way you think! It drives me nuts that anderson is still in the "nobody's going to tell me what i have to do with my dog" mentality! it blows my mind why people continue to get dogs, then leave them tied up in the backyard, never pay them any attention--and forget spay, neuter and vaccination--but raise cain if you suggest that they give the dog up! As a dog owner, I would have no problem registering my animals, and submitting vaccination records once a year. I have a sneaking suspicion that if you drive through some of anderson's disreputable areas and took a survey of those dog owners with chained up animals--slim to none have ever had a vaccination much less been spayed or neutered. and the popularity of certain breeds, and yes i hesitate to bring up the pit bull issue, but i am, but these animals are breeing inbred and overbred, to a dangerous degree-really just take a drive through the alphabet streets sometime. People think that just becuase they have a female, that they can breed her and make money off the puppies, without any consideration for their health, and eventual homes. and why anderson county refuses to take any step towards present day animal regulations. I think it would be wonderful if anderson county had animal registration and licensing. perhaps it would keep some repeat offenders from doing more damage.
Karma
You are dead spot on with the Pit and bulldog issue. We have similar issues in our 'hood, with the boyz having rings of fight clubs and loose pitties running the hood. Luckily we have invested in fencing, or we would have these same unlicensed and most likely unshot dogs attacking our cats and dog at will. Upon recommendation from county, we have been given carte blanche to shoot at will any free-roaming 'aggressive" dogs we find. However, being the animal lovers we are, we tend to shoot to warn ( air shots) to spook them off and away from our area. Nonetheless, these groups of young men ( and unfortunately for their stereeotype, BLACKS) are often seen engaging in fighting and "sic 'em Cujo" mentality while running around here and elsewhere. As seen by those supporting Michael Vick, these sub-humnas regard their own sport above the emotional well being & health of their own "pets". Additionally, unfortunate consequences of their activity is the seeking of "victim" animals which are used for training and fun. The hoodies from our area have stolen animals right from the owners' yards or street. Ususally sick, old or smaller animals, these freaks use them to taunt and train to kill.
Aggressive laws addressing THAT behavior, specifically regarding fighting and breeding for sport, need to be on the books. As with using a weapon for commission of a crime, dog fighting needs to have a minimum 5 years behind bars, with a FELONY charge. Not this chicken S**T misdemeanor like Vick got. Any first year Psychology student knows any human which disregards the lives of an animal, whether by misconduct or choice or engages in blood sport or fighting, is a mouse step away from same criminal activity towards humans. And usually the hatred grows towards those which frown upon such deplorable activities.
Such a civilized world we live in, where it is okay to inflict pain and kill for fun.
You are dead spot on with the Pit and bulldog issue. We have similar issues in our 'hood, with the boyz having rings of fight clubs and loose pitties running the hood. Luckily we have invested in fencing, or we would have these same unlicensed and most likely unshot dogs attacking our cats and dog at will. Upon recommendation from county, we have been given carte blanche to shoot at will any free-roaming 'aggressive" dogs we find. However, being the animal lovers we are, we tend to shoot to warn ( air shots) to spook them off and away from our area. Nonetheless, these groups of young men ( and unfortunately for their stereeotype, BLACKS) are often seen engaging in fighting and "sic 'em Cujo" mentality while running around here and elsewhere. As seen by those supporting Michael Vick, these sub-humnas regard their own sport above the emotional well being & health of their own "pets". Additionally, unfortunate consequences of their activity is the seeking of "victim" animals which are used for training and fun. The hoodies from our area have stolen animals right from the owners' yards or street. Ususally sick, old or smaller animals, these freaks use them to taunt and train to kill.
Aggressive laws addressing THAT behavior, specifically regarding fighting and breeding for sport, need to be on the books. As with using a weapon for commission of a crime, dog fighting needs to have a minimum 5 years behind bars, with a FELONY charge. Not this chicken S**T misdemeanor like Vick got. Any first year Psychology student knows any human which disregards the lives of an animal, whether by misconduct or choice or engages in blood sport or fighting, is a mouse step away from same criminal activity towards humans. And usually the hatred grows towards those which frown upon such deplorable activities.
Such a civilized world we live in, where it is okay to inflict pain and kill for fun.
wyatt1sc - I would have to disagree, Bowman is a problem . He'll tell you anything that sounds good and keep doing the same nothing. He has Animal Control Officers trying to make things better and do their jobs but most of his resources go to the little patrol boys. Can you tell me why all his officers can't do animal control and liter violations? It has nothing to do with laws, just work supervision diligence where public funds are concerned. At one time they were all cross trained but once he and his supervisor smelled power, they became the worst kind of public servant, payroll gluttons.
Every Officer in Bowman's "command" should be out there picking up strays, setting up traps and helping with animals. It's all about the excuses and management that allows such waste. Michelle is one of the few employees that can take chicken poop and turn it into chicken salad where those animals are concerned.- Greene
Dude, I am way on the other side of your statements here. I personally know Keith and Sandy Hayes. They have been extremely helpful in issues we have tried to resolve with litter, illegal burning, derelict homes, and Keep America Beautiful programs. We've had them attend the Homeland Park Task Force meetings often in the past year. Even though there was NO public turnout for some of these events, they came anyways and lent advice and commitment to future projects. This was done FREE, without pay and completely voluntarily. Can you speak of any entity which does so?
I HAVE to add this comment before you tirade against my opinion: The Environmental Enforcement has three guys working the streets, and two staff in office work. Their patrol covers 750 Square miles, for three guys. They DO actively pursue trash dumping, cite homeowners who have substandard homes or yards, issue citations for clutter in yards or burning, are actively tracking down tire dumpers ( one case involved several thousand tires dumped in one area) and are trying to implemenmt some programs to help stop household dumping in vacant areas.
I would hate to be under the scrutiny these fellows are
i think all of this touches a major point, though. for the longest time our representatives have done what they want to do, or have gotten so muddied in the politcal waters, what with backscratching, palm greasing, favors done and owed, etc. that they simply can't do what we want them to! of course, i think a lot of what we want them to do, i feel has a lot to do with simple common sense things that would make anderson a better place. but because of all the hidden and not so hidden agendas, power plays and struggles, what our representatives should be doing is put totally on the backburner for drama, drama, drama.
i am of the belief that sometimes when the machine doesn't work, calling the repairman simply won't do...sometimes things need to be totally replaced... i would like to see some young, less experienced, perhaps even idealistic and hopeful people represent our county--people that are united in a belief in attempting to maintain an untarnished system, doing what's best for anderson and listening to their constituents. People that are interested in making anderson a model community in "what to do" instead of the model it is now of old corrupt southern backwards politics.
i am of the belief that sometimes when the machine doesn't work, calling the repairman simply won't do...sometimes things need to be totally replaced... i would like to see some young, less experienced, perhaps even idealistic and hopeful people represent our county--people that are united in a belief in attempting to maintain an untarnished system, doing what's best for anderson and listening to their constituents. People that are interested in making anderson a model community in "what to do" instead of the model it is now of old corrupt southern backwards politics.
Sounds like Kharma is running for Council.......
Good points all..
just be careful about talking bad about mill neighborhoods or the environment or mentality found there..
we have some fierce defenders that attack anything bad said about them...
Its OK to trash cindy or joey..but not the mill hill...
just be careful about talking bad about mill neighborhoods or the environment or mentality found there..
we have some fierce defenders that attack anything bad said about them...
Its OK to trash cindy or joey..but not the mill hill...
no way--the only way i would even consider that would be a promise that the existing county council was going to be totally flushed.
Good points all..
just be careful about talking bad about mill neighborhoods or the environment or mentality found there..
we have some fierce defenders that attack anything bad said about them...
Its OK to trash cindy or joey..but not the mill hill...- palmetto_native
you need to elaborate on that statement.
Oh my your post is so, unprofessional but okay, "dude" one officer under Bowman's command you identified has stood by and refused to use his training for large animal rescue in front f ACS deputies stating he "couldn't get dirty" because Gracie Floyd wanted him to take a call for litter that offended her. Bowman, says, we're working on a good solution while doing nothing it, aka blowing smoke up the butt of any one that puts him on the spot. They can't even locate rescue equipment donated to them for large animal rescue. So, "dude", you're either on the payroll of misinformed or really intellectually challenged.
True the actual is Animal Control Officers want to make a difference but they are not allowed to. You are entertaining though. In the event you wish to be taken seriously, lose the "dude" and discuss the information with facts not what you are told but what has happened and can be confirmed by the very system that protects all of the little people. ROTFL "dude". Back to your sand box boy.
[Dude, I am way on the other side of your statements here. I personally know Keith and Sandy Hayes. They have been extremely helpful in issues we have tried to resolve with litter, illegal burning, derelict homes, and Keep America Beautiful programs. We've had them attend the Homeland Park Task Force meetings often in the past year. Even though there was NO public turnout for some of these events, they came anyways and lent advice and commitment to future projects. This was done FREE, without pay and completely voluntarily. Can you speak of any entity which does so?
I HAVE to add this comment before you tirade against my opinion: The Environmental Enforcement has three guys working the streets, and two staff in office work. Their patrol covers 750 Square miles, for three guys. They DO actively pursue trash dumping, cite homeowners who have substandard homes or yards, issue citations for clutter in yards or burning, are actively tracking down tire dumpers ( one case involved several thousand tires dumped in one area) and are trying to implemenmt some programs to help stop household dumping in vacant areas.
I would hate to be under the scrutiny these fellows are
True the actual is Animal Control Officers want to make a difference but they are not allowed to. You are entertaining though. In the event you wish to be taken seriously, lose the "dude" and discuss the information with facts not what you are told but what has happened and can be confirmed by the very system that protects all of the little people. ROTFL "dude". Back to your sand box boy.
[Dude, I am way on the other side of your statements here. I personally know Keith and Sandy Hayes. They have been extremely helpful in issues we have tried to resolve with litter, illegal burning, derelict homes, and Keep America Beautiful programs. We've had them attend the Homeland Park Task Force meetings often in the past year. Even though there was NO public turnout for some of these events, they came anyways and lent advice and commitment to future projects. This was done FREE, without pay and completely voluntarily. Can you speak of any entity which does so?
I HAVE to add this comment before you tirade against my opinion: The Environmental Enforcement has three guys working the streets, and two staff in office work. Their patrol covers 750 Square miles, for three guys. They DO actively pursue trash dumping, cite homeowners who have substandard homes or yards, issue citations for clutter in yards or burning, are actively tracking down tire dumpers ( one case involved several thousand tires dumped in one area) and are trying to implemenmt some programs to help stop household dumping in vacant areas.
I would hate to be under the scrutiny these fellows are
