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WOW! All this is pretty much crap. Talk people who have had horses eized from SCARE. They seize horses, prosecute cases (or not) for abuse & neglect and then farm out the horses to foster homes (who pay all the expenses and get an IRS deduction). Then they "adopt them out" at a fee if you are not in their good graces. They are "non-profit” (maybe, look on the IRS web site). On top of that, if they loose the case against the "alleged negligent owner”, they submit a bill to the courts for very high maintenance of the horses. The owners can't pay so the horses stay in this limbo and in the "foster homes". This was one reason many people tried - with no success to -get the ordinances changed to stop orgs. like SCARE from taking large animals.

There has been an on going argument between the current manager of the shelter and the person who is now the VP of the ACHS (Anderson County Humane Society) , who wanted the managers job about at ACAS (Anderson County Animal Shelter) after the embezzlement issue came up. I have to wonder if this post under "questions for the candidates", is not the same person or very close to her - that wanted the ACAS Mangers job.

In truth - yes, there are no requirements for jockey lot sellers to have proof of vaccinations. One problem the Jockey Lot owner said he would address after the changes to the animal ordinances came up which could have prohibited sales of animals at his facility. Oddly, Lexington County is enacting the same rules but Anderson (i.e Gracie Floyd) remained unaware of these changes and never contacted the Lex. County Council to talk even though she was told that this was a concern of Lexington County as well.

On top of that there are allegations that one woman who volunteers at the shelter has a rescue and was in fact investigated by ACAC for neglect. She was found to have had a neighbor using an abandoned trailer on her property but her rescue was never charged with neglect. Once you, "adopt" an animal out of the shelter, you can sell it, keep it or give it away and all you pay are the fees the shelter requested at adoption. So what is the point of this diatribe? You may not like that but it is laegal. Non-profits can pay salaries so you have to really educate yourself about this subject before you buy into this discussion. CPA's make a lot of money keeping that IRS issue legal and the original poster has no understanding of how that works or tries to muddy the issue for the sake of drama.

Go back and read the post from the President of the ACHS who said Ms. Wallace was in fact again the VP for the ACHS and whether or not the spay neuter clinic she was trying to get funding for was going through the HS (Humane Society) or not. In one meeting, she said, it was her private endeavor not for profit, which is very different than a 501 C 3 org. There were a couple of posts about this but the subject was dropped once the issue of the Animal Ordinance changes was sidelined for the audit and getting the County Council to grab the reins of the County Admin. So-to-speak. That endeavor did not die for those who presented it
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1) I have no idea what your post just said. Could you clear it up? None of you Animal rights folks have made any sense on this blog. You might have plenty of supporters and allies here if you'd learn to write your message in a way that we can understand it.

All the insider references make your post completely useless. We don't know all of those details. TALK SLOWLY.

2) The McCain line was a joke--just like one would make in conversation. Instead of attacking us and not interacting with us, why don't you actually reach out and engage us in conversation. Art is a good channel. You can always email me too. You'll get a lot further with conversation than with quack conspiracy theories.
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As I said befor Anderson County needs to look beyond the innocent pleas of animal right do gooders and realize that the true motive is not to help animals but to control who ,what, where,and how much it will cost you to keep your animal.Sounds like too much government involvment to me.Ms. Flloyd doesn"t understand any of laws she is trying to pass reguardless of her good intent.It all boils down to animal rights groups that do make a profit ,if they have no other job and can build new houses and buy new cars off of the sale of animals either taken illeagly or through animal shelter adoptions at stores such as petsmart they may set their self up animal do gooders but they"re still paying themselfs huge profits.Now who is profiting off the sale of animals.S>C>A>R>E> the horse rescue group is now called P>E>A>R>L> in our area because scare had legal and questionable tatics DR. gimenez a local clemson professor most of you know.I hope he uses better judgement than s.c.a.r.e. Any one having an internet should look these groups up.Under the fourteenth amendment of the constitution all anderson flea market vendors especially minorities have the right to run a legal liscened business free from harrasment. not happening so far . IT"S time for all the foolishness to end and let people earn a living.Tired of all the political B>S>
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Brainer, I usually don't get my first headache of the day until sometime after lunch. Having read and re-read your previous post, today's just going to be one of those bad days.

The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution - sort of a catch-all amendment dealing with several different issues - does call for equal protection for everybody under the laws.

But that particular amendment, to my knowledge, has never been used to undermine a local or state government's ability to regulate any business in the broader contest of the public good - as in protection of animals from neglect by sellers, buyers, owners, etc.

Are you trying to tell us government has no constitutional right to regulate the treatment of animals if those animals are in a commercial transaction - i.e., being bought and sold? Isn't that one of many arguments the States Rights people used to depend slavery, only using PEOPLE in their argument instead of animals?
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Sorry for the headache,take some tylenol and try again.I"ve always held the greatest respect for the constitution. I remember when you could pledge allegiance to the flag at school say your morning prayer and actually fell good about the American way of life .OH THE GOOD OLD DAYS UNder the equal protection clause of the fourteenth ammendment No state shall deny any person equal protection of the laws .This was originally written for blacks but was expanded to include all citzens since the usa is a meltin pot of all races. By the way the Anderson flea market has black ,white 'chineese'and hispanic'asian' Indias even american Indian so this should cover the constitution. Hope your head feels better soon.
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As I said befor Anderson County needs to look beyond the innocent pleas of animal right do gooders and realize that the true motive is not to help animals but to control who ,what, where,and how much it will cost you to keep your animal.Sounds like too much government involvment to me.

- brainer


WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???


Ms. Flloyd doesn"t understand any of laws she is trying to pass reguardless of her good intent.It all boils down to animal rights groups that do make a profit ,if they have no other job and can build new houses and buy new cars off of the sale of animals either taken illeagly or through animal shelter adoptions at stores such as petsmart they may set their self up animal do gooders but they"re still paying themselfs huge profits.

- brainer


WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???


Now who is profiting off the sale of animals.S>C>A>R>E> the horse rescue group is now called P>E>A>R>L> in our area because scare had legal and questionable tatics DR. gimenez a local clemson professor most of you know.I hope he uses better judgement than s.c.a.r.e. Any one having an internet should look these groups up.

- brainer


WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???


Under the fourteenth amendment of the constitution all anderson flea market vendors especially minorities have the right to run a legal liscened business free from harrasment. not happening so far . IT"S time for all the foolishness to end and let people earn a living.Tired of all the political B>S>

- brainer


WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???

...and I conclude my remarks with a quote from that famous animal rights activist Art Carlson, manager of WKRP:

"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly!
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S.C.A.R.E.stands for South Carolina Awareness and Rescues for Equines: P.E.A.R.L. stands for Palmetto Equine Awareness and Rescue LeagueThese are groups that deal with large animal especially horses. According to the june29 2006 minutes and I quote"While we intend to uphold the good name the founders of S.C.A.R.E. inc.had we are aware of legal :: problems that organizations might be having as well as questionable possible abuse of power and process of S.C.A.R.E.inc.The problems associated with illeagle seizure of horses,bad publicity ,and possible action pending against S.C.A.R.E. inc.as well as the possible detriment to scare upstate name by being associated with such possible illeagle activities was discussed." They voted to keep all the founding members and change their name to P.E.A.R.L. Now you see why there is a sudden interest in large farm animals in anderson. These less than ethical animal rights groups tryed to get control of the large animals .MS. Floyed threw a glitch in the plan when she started rewritting state laws on all animals .Someone should have let her in on the devious plot.
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As I said befor Anderson County needs to look beyond the innocent pleas of animal right do gooders and realize that the true motive is not to help animals but to control who ,what, where,and how much it will cost you to keep your animal.Sounds like too much government involvment to me.

- brainer


WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???


Ms. Flloyd doesn"t understand any of laws she is trying to pass reguardless of her good intent.It all boils down to animal rights groups that do make a profit ,if they have no other job and can build new houses and buy new cars off of the sale of animals either taken illeagly or through animal shelter adoptions at stores such as petsmart they may set their self up animal do gooders but they"re still paying themselfs huge profits.

- brainer


WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???


Now who is profiting off the sale of animals.S>C>A>R>E> the horse rescue group is now called P>E>A>R>L> in our area because scare had legal and questionable tatics DR. gimenez a local clemson professor most of you know.I hope he uses better judgement than s.c.a.r.e. Any one having an internet should look these groups up.

- brainer


WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???


Under the fourteenth amendment of the constitution all anderson flea market vendors especially minorities have the right to run a legal liscened business free from harrasment. not happening so far . IT"S time for all the foolishness to end and let people earn a living.Tired of all the political B>S>

- brainer


WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???

...and I conclude my remarks with a quote from that famous animal rights activist Art Carlson, manager of WKRP:

"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly!"

- StringCheese



Turkeys can fly. Mr. Hankey knows this to be true.
but only the wild ones. the others that you and the likes eat at thanksgiving and x-mass don't. Mr. Hankey thinks maybe thats why we are eating them.

But again thats only what Mr. Hankey thinks.
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S.C.A.R.E.stands for South Carolina Awareness and Rescues for Equines: P.E.A.R.L. stands for Palmetto Equine Awareness and Rescue LeagueThese are groups that deal with large animal especially horses. According to the june29 2006 minutes and I quote"While we intend to uphold the good name the founders of S.C.A.R.E. inc.had we are aware of legal :: problems that organizations might be having as well as questionable possible abuse of power and process of S.C.A.R.E.inc.The problems associated with illeagle seizure of horses,bad publicity ,and possible action pending against S.C.A.R.E. inc.as well as the possible detriment to scare upstate name by being associated with such possible illeagle activities was discussed." They voted to keep all the founding members and change their name to P.E.A.R.L. Now you see why there is a sudden interest in large farm animals in anderson.

- brainer


The way I read this is that P.E.A.R.L. decided to disassociate itself from S.C.A.R.E. because they didn't agree with one or more of S.C.A.R.E.'s actions. So what does this action P.E.A.R.L. took a year ago have to do with "a sudden interest in large farm animals in anderson"?


These less than ethical animal rights groups tryed to get control of the large animals .

- brainer


Once again, what are you talking about? What animal rights groups tried to get control of what large animals?

You have posted many unfounded accusations in this thread and in the "questions for the candidates" thread.

Please tell us what you are talking about!


MS. Floyed threw a glitch in the plan when she started rewritting state laws on all animals .

- brainer


Ms. Floyd is a county council member and doesn't normally write state law. The state law on animal welfare is quite good and doesn't need to be changed. The Anderson County animal ordinances are the ones that she is updating.

Once again, who's plan had a "glitch" thrown in it and what was the plan?


Someone should have let her in on the devious plot.

- brainer


Why don't you let us in on the devious plot.

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If you didn"t attend the council meetings on the laws trying to get animal laws changed and amended you have no idea what i"m talking about. The orginazation pearl is just an off spring of scare because they didn"t want to be known for all the ileagle and unethical practices scare is connected with. Plenty of sites on the internet to enlighten you. Shakespear said it best A ROSE BY ANY OTHER NAME WILL SMELL AS SWEET >(OR AS BAD)
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If you didn"t attend the council meetings on the laws trying to get animal laws changed and amended you have no idea what i"m talking about. The orginazation pearl is just an off spring of scare because they didn"t want to be known for all the ileagle and unethical practices scare is connected with. Plenty of sites on the internet to enlighten you. Shakespear said it best A ROSE BY ANY OTHER NAME WILL SMELL AS SWEET >(OR AS BAD)

- brainer


Ummm, I did attend the council meetings, and I still don't have any idea what you are talking about. Are you talking about the committee meetings run by Ms. Floyd? I didn't attend these. Did you?

I can assure you PEARL is in no way associated with SCARE. As I understand it, PEARL was formed specifically to work with Anderson County Animal Control to make sure that the tactics SCARE used in other counties were not used in Anderson County. I'm referring to instances where SCARE went to a magistrate and got a seizure order to remove abused horses from an owner's property with little or no involvement from local law enforcement. This is simply not the right way to handle an abuse situation. Law enforcement HAS to be the lead agency in any abuse situation, not a private organization.

A rescue organization should work behind the scenes to help with transportation and rehabilitation AFTER the case has properly been investigated. As a friend of mine has said to me more than once: "Make animal control do their damn jobs!"

How about some links to sites to "enlighten" me.
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Palmetto Equine Awareness & Rescue League (PEARL)
Has the support of both Drs. Tomas Gimenez & Maj. Dr. Rebecca Gimenez. That is due to the fact that before PEARL began we started with the premise that Animal Control needs to do their job. To do so they need the proper laws and authority. That was the intent behind Dr. Gimenez & (then) Sgt. Mary Wilson presenting to the County Council the need to update the laws in this county to cover large animals back in Oct. 2006

PEARL offers assistance to the Counties that need it BUT we do not go seek local magistrates to give us search and seizure warrants to take horses from owners. Rescues are not the law and should not presume to be the law. Our counties MUST step up to the plate and give the Animal Control Officers the laws and support to resolve cases of abuse, neglect, & maltreatment. No rescue should be taking peoples horses with or without a warrant. The proper law enforcement officers should do this. They have prosecutorial authority. If the issue is education, then PEARL or SCARE or anyone should then offer the education to the owners and help if needed. If the county must seize a large animal, volunteers of a reputable rescue should have space to care for them. The law enforcement officers can request restitution from negligent owners in court.

Court cases should be managed by the officers and/or the Solicitors not rescues. Rescue organizations should support of the local governing body and the law enforcement agencies not do their jobs.

PEARL was very active with Anderson County until November of 2006. PEARL subsidized the CART training with Technical Large Animal Emergency Rescue (Dr. Gimenez). We also held the first of a series of dinners where Dr.s. Gimenez (who is a member of VMAT 2 and was part of the Katrina Rescue effort) assited to raises funds.
for materials. PEARL & TLAER joined together to donate the first of the large animal rescue equipment to Anderson County Animal Control to get them started in the right direction. PEARL offered to educate all the officers on body scores, handling and moving horses, cows, goats and other large animals in our area. We offered an education program to the people who just do not understand what it takes to give proper care to a horse, cow or any other large animal. We also offer a space to the county to hold and rehabilitate any large animal they must seize. We offer a feed program to families who have lost jobs and need temporary assistance feeding animals.

PEARL became inactive while the changes in Animal Control are worked out. We are still taking calls from people who do not want to be identified and acting as the liaison for those reporting citizens. When we can get an officer to take a large animal call we work with them. Currently that is difficult. If anyone wants to understand what PEARL is, how it operates and what our goal is then they should call our line 287-9939 and leave a message or call Rick Driver who has our numbers.

The person "Brainer", who has posted a lot of misinformation about PEARL clearly has no knowledge or contact with us but is also welcome to become educated in our vision of how large animal abuse, maltreatment and neglect needs to be handled in our county and our state. We do not condone the actions of rescues who assume the duties of law enforcement officers and Solicitors. We strongly support the actions of others rescues like PEER who also strongly support the need for our law enforcement officers to do their jobs and have the support of each county by laws and budgets to insure the safety of all animals including livestock.

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here are some interesting sites http://www.equinerescuesc.org/legislation.html titled influencing legislation policy and since they decided to keep their founding memembers from S.C.A.R.E. to P.E.A.R.L. I can only assume there was a name change only.go to http://www.equinerescuesc.org/Board.html to see who is on the board. surprised?Now you see why all the large animal transporting was already arranged without the animal shelter getting involved. If ms.Floyd hadn"t gotten involved with her added animal agendas P.E.A.R.L. would have accomplished it"s origional agenda of taking horses in the name of equine rescuers.according to allrecords Nicole Walukewich is the founder of pearl dated 12 -7 2005
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Nicole Walukewicz,
Thank you for the clarification. I’m glad you started posting again.
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here are some interesting sites http://www.equinerescuesc.org/legislation.html titled influencing legislation policy and since they decided to keep their founding memembers from S.C.A.R.E. to P.E.A.R.L. I can only assume there was a name change only.

- brainer


I went to this link. It just says that members of PEARL are not allowed, as members, to influence legislation. I think that is standard policy for a 501c3 organization. I don't think anyone from PEARL was on Ms. Floyd's committee or gave any presentations to county council concerning the animal ordinance. It does state in section 1(d) that the leaders can "Communicate with respect to legislation or proposed legislation of direct interest to the organization."

As to the name change, I think you can read all about in the Board of Directors meeting minutes here:
http://www.equinerescuesc.org/MinutesBOD1210.html

Item 2 starts with the following: "Discussion was had re: finding a name more suitable to the intent of our group and to permanently sever any and all associations with the S.C.A.R.E. Inc.".

It goes on to state why they decided to do that. I would say that's a lot more than a name change.

But now that you've mentioned it, I think the Humane Society did participate in Ms. Floyd's committee and give a presentation at county council. That might be a big problem for them.


go to http://www.equinerescuesc.org/Board.html to see who is on the board. surprised?

- brainer


Why is it surprising that the chairman of the organization is on the board?


Now you see why all the large animal transporting was already arranged without the animal shelter getting involved.

- brainer


I'm not sure what you're talking about here. Ms. Walukewicz stated above that PEARL only gets involved when called by animal control, and I'm not aware that the animal shelter has any equipment to transport large animals. The shelter certainly doesn't have any pasture or a barn to house large animals. So how does Anderson County Animal Control deal with large animal cases if they have no equipment and no pasture? They make arrangements with organizations like PEARL to help. If this is organized and managed properly it can be very beneficial to the county.


If ms.Floyd hadn"t gotten involved with her added animal agendas P.E.A.R.L. would have accomplished it"s origional agenda of taking horses in the name of equine rescuers.

- brainer


I am going to try to interpret this:
Are you saying that because the proposed animal ordinance excluded agricultural animals that somehow this has thwarted PEARL's "origional agenda" and "devious plot"? I think Ms. Walukewicz made it very clear in her post that PEARL is not interested in "taking horses in the name of equine rescuers".


according to allrecords Nicole Walukewich is the founder of pearl dated 12 -7 2005

- brainer


Well, it says right on their website that she is the founder.

This is starting to sound like a personal vendetta against PEARL and/or Ms. Walukewicz.

If you have any information about wrongdoing by PEARL then post it.
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Brainer I challenge you to come up with one instance PEARL has done anything questionable. Make sure that you do not confuse PEARL with SCARE. We do not work with them. So either give specific instances or stop acting as if you know something you clearly do not about PEARL.

By the way, PEARL has microchips for horses that meet the international standard and will be doing another micro chipping clinic soon. Currently they can be bought and implanted by Dr. Keith Stafford. I urge all horse owners to have microchips implanted. There have been some thefts and attempted thefts in the area. We also donated two micro chip readers to the Anderson County Animal Shelter.

Most members of PEARL are CERT trained and until the CART program in Anderson County lost its leadership in November, we were all on the list for CART emergencies. Most Board members of PEARL are TLAER trained to assist in large animal/equine rescues. I am also an assistant instructor for TLAER. We are very serious about providing services to our county or anyone that needs help and having the knowledge to offer it.



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Hello Art - Thank you for noticing my absence. I cannot work to change laws under the PEARL umbrella so we became inactive while as citizens we work out the laws and these issues. A 501 C 3 by law cannot work to influence laws. You should loose your non-profit status for that. I wear a couple hats but when someone makes allegations that are clearly false about my organization I have to put the PEARL hat on and answer.

PEARL is a great organization that is waiting for the county to figure out what direction they want to go. Also, the omission of agricultural animals in the proposed ordinace does not prevent the prosecution of these cases by Anderson County. That duty will now fall to the Sheriffs' office as these are state charges. That is why Cindy Wilson suggested that Animal Control be put with the Sheriffs' office because of the lack of support for the needed changes to the laws which would allow our county Animal Control Officer's to prosecute large animal cases at the county level.


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You attribute rather noble motives to Ms. Wilson. I have been led to believe that Cindy Wilson was opposed to the process, and had slowed down meaningful dialogue so its rather disengenuous to say that she wants to help out the process.

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Taking off my PEARL hat and putting on my voting citizen hat – I answer PN as follows. I have spoken directly to Ms. Wilson and several other members of County Council and I can tell you that if you approach her directly and not take the words of others or their interpretations, you will find she stands in the way of having a useless and divisive ordinance that fails to protect the animals it was supposed to address passed. She believes that if the county expects the sheriffs’ office to manage state charges for large animal abuse, neglect and maltreatment then Animal Control should be under the Sheriffs' office to streamline the process. As a citizen I think that makes sense. I sat and listened to several county reps. state that Anderson County Animal Control does not respond to large animal calls. If they don't allow the Animal Control Officers to do their jobs for all animals then they should be sent to a law enforcement agency that does.

However, now I am off topic. Putting my Chair of PEARL hat back on, my goal is to make sure that "Brainer" is shown to have a complete and total lack of understanding or correct information on PEARL, what PEARL is about and what we support or what services we offer. He/she has just posted one of those flame posts in an attempt to discredit another organization. I agree with Stringcheese – her posts sound more like personal attacks than, well reasoned, or logical allegations based on any facts.

One other service PEARL offers to vets is that if they respond to an emergency at the request of the Animal Control Officers, we will pay the actual costs when possible. When a horses needs to be put down, we feel it is more important to insure the animal doesn’t suffer and the vet works with Animal Control in these cases. The county should reimburse the vet when they call him or her out however they have never offered this to the vets in cases of large animals. I understand they do not have a vet on staff that can respond to large animal emergencies and that might be a problem that needs to be resolved. If someone doesn’t step up to the plate, there will be no vets available to help the county when they need help for large animals now. The county really needs to resolve this problem on their own but for now, PEARL has paid for those services.
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To all of you that think you know whats going on within the county regarding large animal issues, I invite you to get involved with PEARL, get out there and DO THE WORK. Find out what its like to give up your time, your money, your expertise. PEARL would definitely appriciate all the help it could get. Don't know anything about horses but know cows? YEAH!! PEARL can utilize you. Have no experience with large animals but have backhoe or a stock trailer? Give your time and equipment. The more of you that will give of your time and effort by being on stand by for emergencies the better PEARL can help Anderson County, the more we can ALL help, the better our county will be. It might even get the reputation as being a place to get REAL help when its needed. If you don't want to be involved with PEARL then go directly to the county, offer your services. Its not like it would be a full time job. And since it is voluntary you can always say sorry, not today.
Until you've walked this road you have no clue to whats involved. Speak your mind but please, know what you are talking about. Hearsay is just that, no more no less.
Have great day and remember that to give of ones self is an honorable thing.
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