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We have a real leader. What scares me is what we'll have in the White House come January 20, 2009.

And, Andrew, we don't agree on anything - at least, as far as the military and the War on Terror are concerned. Have you been taking your cue from that noted expert on military planning and tactics, Nancy Pelosi, or did you reach your (wrong) conclusions all by yourself?

- JDTippett



George W. Bush had a little under four years with a Republican Congress from the start of the War in Iraq to when the Democrats took power in January to show some leadership. If he was a "real leader", how did Iraq get to be such a big mess?

George W. Bush had five and a half years with a Republican Congress from 9/11/01 until the Democrats took power in January to capture/kill Bin Laden. If George W. Bush is a "real leader", please explain to me why Osama Bin Laden is still wasting valuable oxygen?

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The recent stories coming out about some deficiencies in our veterans hospitals would have been nothing more than a small blip on the radar screen to the mainstream media EXCEPT for their hatred of George W. Bush. They care less about helping those veterans than they care about destroying morale and undermining the current war effort.

- JDTippett



JD, I agree - George W Bush is the single greatest factor that is undermining our current war effort. We need a real leader.

- ahammett



Rightly or wrongly, George W Bush is fighting that war.

Some people just don't get it: the terrorists want to convert us or kill us. I don't see a lot of middle ground there. If they will explode a bomb in a market place full of non combatants what would they do here? Crash planes in buildings? Use babies to get explosives on board airplanes?
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We have a real leader. What scares me is what we'll have in the White House come January 20, 2009.

And, Andrew, we don't agree on anything - at least, as far as the military and the War on Terror are concerned. Have you been taking your cue from that noted expert on military planning and tactics, Nancy Pelosi, or did you reach your (wrong) conclusions all by yourself?

- JDTippett



George W. Bush had a little under four years with a Republican Congress from the start of the War in Iraq to when the Democrats took power in January to show some leadership. If he was a "real leader", how did Iraq get to be such a big mess?

George W. Bush had five and a half years with a Republican Congress from 9/11/01 until the Democrats took power in January to capture/kill Bin Laden. If George W. Bush is a "real leader", please explain to me why Osama Bin Laden is still wasting valuable oxygen?

- wayward



Bin Laden is still alive, and mistakes have happened. I do not think theres any question about that. But George Bush is a leader
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His troops will follow him for the same reason the Yankees followed Grant
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I will not stick a knife in the back of our President when he is acting to keep us safe.

- ed evans



Ed,

The definitive word is 'acting'.

"...and so it goes." KV
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I will not stick a knife in the back of our President when he is acting to keep us safe.

- ed evans



Ed,

The definitive word is 'acting'.

"...and so it goes." KV

- PAPPY



Me thinks you have now offended many a fine actor in hollywood.
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But George Bush is a leader
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I will not stick a knife in the back of our President when he is acting to keep us safe.

- ed evans



Ed,

The definitive word is 'acting'.

"...and so it goes." KV

- PAPPY




OOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh. Cheap.

But your boy Slick Willie gave'me a bunch of headaches, didn't he, destroying that asprin factory.

And you're right I did not mean to compare one in the saddle with one in the WH in the literal sense. I used the comparsion that "He fights." (What Lincoln said about Grant). Like Winston Churchill fought Hitler, (though he wasn't leading any charges, like Pappy). Unlike Chamberlin, who grovelled.

And if you see the crosswords you'll see that one who acts, is also a doer.

Doer get it, now?
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But George Bush is a leader
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Military weapons are the means used by the Sage to punish violence and cruelty, to give peace to troublous times, to remove difficulties and dangers, and to succor those who are in peril. Every animal with blood in its veins and horns on its head will fight when it is attacked. How much more so will man, who carries in his breast the faculties of love and hatred, joy and anger! When he is pleased, a feeling of affection springs up within him
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"Military weapons are the means used by the Sage to punish violence and cruelty, to give peace to troublous times, to remove difficulties and dangers, and to succor those who are in peril. Every animal with blood in its veins and horns on its head will fight when it is attacked. How much more so will man, who carries in his breast the faculties of love and hatred, joy and anger! When he is pleased, a feeling of affection springs up within him
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I didn't say it. I'm still tryin' to figure out what it means.
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No, not quite, You got to inspire the ones being lead.

- ed evans



Ok,

With over 60% of Americans disapproving of the President's performance

AND

Around 40% of the active military disapproving of the President's performance

AND

The biggest recruiting shortfall since the 1970's

How would you grade the President's performance when it comes to inspiration?

President Bush is still in a position of leadership for every American. If the War on Terror is truly the epic crusade that you guys say, the President needs to start inspiring young men to join the military.

The only logical conclusion to the statement that a leader must inspire is that President Bush is not a leader.
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And if you see the crosswords you'll see that one who acts, is also a doer.

Doer get it, now?

- ed evans



Maybe in crosswords, Ed, but in Webster's actor is defined as a performer, one who behaves as if acting a part. . .

Seems more appropriate.

"...and so it goes." KV

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No, not quite, You got to inspire the ones being lead.

- ed evans



Ok,

With over 60% of Americans disapproving of the President's performance

AND

Around 40% of the active military disapproving of the President's performance

AND

The biggest recruiting shortfall since the 1970's

How would you grade the President's performance when it comes to inspiration?

President Bush is still in a position of leadership for every American. If the War on Terror is truly the epic crusade that you guys say, the President needs to start inspiring young men to join the military.

The only logical conclusion to the statement that a leader must inspire is that President Bush is not a leader.

- ahammett



The Army met it recruiting goals in Jan. Where are you getting your info about the recruiting being the lowest since the 70's. I just heard from a friend overseas that the AF is shedding 40,000 people over the next 3 years. So are they recruiting a lot?

And a lot of folks do not like what the Pres is doing. I do not always like it either. But he is better than what the other party would have put forth. He is doing what a lot of folks think is best for the security of this country. I'm inspired by that courage to do what he thinks is right, even with the likes of ones that want the White House so much they'll gamble with our security that they undermine him every day.

Believe it or not this war stuff ain't like the videos so many of your generation grew up with. No replays. It is a deadly serious business, and a lot is at stake. You probably do not know that in some of the World War 2 battles, like D Day at Normandy, thousands of Americans were killed. Thats THOUSANDS. Oh, and it is not popular, Or glamorous.

Take your stats and do with them what you want, but the US Military is all Volunteeer. I am not seeing a mad dash for the exits in any of the services,

You could do with a tour of one of our Military bases, Andrew. Come with me sometime and see a group of people who are where they want to be doing what they want to do. They like a challenge, and they rise to it. They do more by 8 am than most people like you do in a day. And they seem pretty happy doing it. The ones that don't, they get out.

And do I gather from your post that you do not believe we are in an "Epic Struggle?"

Just Added:
2/13/2007 - WASHINGTON (AFNEWS) -- All active components of the military services met or exceeded their recruiting goals for January, the Defense Department announced Feb. 12.

The Air Force achieved 100 percent of its goal with 2,552 Airmen
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JD,

If I decide a C or D is my goal and I meet it, I've met my goal but I haven't performed well.

Any fool can lower his goals to compensate with his poor performance.
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JD,

If I decide a C or D is my goal and I meet it, I've met my goal but I haven't performed well.

Any fool can lower his goals to compensate with his poor performance.

- ahammett



I suppose you'd know about that....
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JD,

If I decide a C or D is my goal and I meet it, I've met my goal but I haven't performed well.

Any fool can lower his goals to compensate with his poor performance.

- ahammett



I suppose you'd know about that....

- ed evans



Yeah, I know plenty of classmates that have fallen into that trap because of a lack of confidence about how well they could do.

And maybe even myself once or twice


Take your stats and do with them what you want, but the US Military is all Volunteeer. I am not seeing a mad dash for the exits in any of the services,

You could do with a tour of one of our Military bases, Andrew. Come with me sometime and see a group of people who are where they want to be doing what they want to do. They like a challenge, and they rise to it. They do more by 8 am than most people like you do in a day. And they seem pretty happy doing it. The ones that don't, they get out.

-JDTippett



I don't see a mad dash to join either.

No need to talk about my personal experiences if you aren't aware of them. I've been to Fort Jackson several times. My post wasn't about the people who are already in the military.

JD & ed: I know you guys are too old, but if you know any able-bodied heterosexual males under age 42 who support the war, please direct them to report to their nearest recruiting office.

Here is some info for your friends to get started:

US Army:
SSG OMAR O. WARD
US Army Recruiting Station
1010 TIGER BLVD, STE B
CLEMSON, SC 29631
(877) 267-9104
(864) 654-3888
OMAR.WARD@usarec.army.mil

US Army:
Sergeant William H. Cobb
United States Army Recruiter
Anderson Army Recruiting Station
3215 Mall Rd. Ste. R
Anderson, SC 29625
1-877-267-5083 *Toll Free*
WILLIAM.COBB2@usarec.army.mil

US Army:
SFC MAURICE SELLERS
864-656-0353
877-267-4068
CHARLES.SELLERS@usarec.army.mil

SC Army National Guard:
Jonathan DenHartog
SGT SCARNG
Cell phone: 864-982-2840
jonathon.denhartog@us.army.mil

US Army Reserve:
Sergeant First Class Sean A. Barker
(877) 268-2106
Email: sean.barker@usarec.army.mil

USMC:
1stLt Orgbon, Charles
1-866-390-5756 (toll-free)
1-803-256-9015
orgbonc@6mcd.usmc.mil

US Airforce:
3215 Mall Rd
Anderson, SC 29625
864-226-0153
roid332@rs.af.mil

US Navy:
3215 MALL RD STE R
ANDERSON, SC 29625
(864) 224-1097

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JD & ed, Please let us know how many people you talk into enlisting. If the future of the country is resting on this, please get started... we need every effort.

Tell them to be a man! (Like JD's son)
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The recent stories coming out about some deficiencies in our veterans hospitals would have been nothing more than a small blip on the radar screen to the mainstream media EXCEPT for their hatred of George W. Bush. They care less about helping those veterans than they care about destroying morale and undermining the current war effort.

- JDTippett



JD, I agree - George W Bush is the single greatest factor that is undermining our current war effort. We need a real leader.

- ahammett



Rightly or wrongly, George W Bush is fighting that war.

Some people just don't get it: the terrorists want to convert us or kill us. I don't see a lot of middle ground there. If they will explode a bomb in a market place full of non combatants what would they do here? Crash planes in buildings? Use babies to get explosives on board airplanes?

- ed evans



And all the military force in the world isn't going to stop them from doing that.

The problem is that for the most part, when it comes to fighting terrorism, military force is the wrong tool for the job. We can invade and defeat every terrorist supporting nation in the world and that won't keep your local determined terrorist from blowing himself up in a crowded place or renting a truck, filling it with explosives and parking it by the nearest Federal building. (Not all terrorists are middle eastern or Muslim, in case you forgot.)

Who is a terrorist? How can you tell? They don't wear uniforms. They don't wear name tags. Our military is not designed to pick individual bad guys out of a crowd. The military is designed to fight and win wars against other the militaries, not to be a police force on steroids.

Since this is a war, what is "victory"? How do we know that we won? Are we going to kill or convert them before they kill or convert us? Is there an alternative?

They know we will eventually leave, whether that takes 10 weeks, 10 months, 10 years, or 10 decades. They will still be there. How do we make sure the terrorists don't take over as soon as we leave?

If our goal is victory, but we have not defined what that is, then how can we achieve something that is undefined? How do you develop a strategy for that?
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