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We missed you Wayward!

The reason that we can't win in Iraq is that we aren't playing to win. We don't have any capable leadership in charge and nobody trusts the leaders we do have.

The most effective military is focused on doing exactly what leadership says to do. Right now, our leadership doesn't even know what to do.

Our troops have recieved an order to hold their positions while the "leaders" figure out what to do. Holding position doesn't win war and doesn't further protect our national security. All it does is jeopardize the lives of our troops.

Without any plan or leadership, we cant succeed. The best strategy is to pull out, regroup, and form a new strategy.

- ahammett



And you are like a handle on a slop jar
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We missed you Wayward!

The reason that we can't win in Iraq is that we aren't playing to win. We don't have any capable leadership in charge and nobody trusts the leaders we do have.

The most effective military is focused on doing exactly what leadership says to do. Right now, our leadership doesn't even know what to do.

Our troops have recieved an order to hold their positions while the "leaders" figure out what to do. Holding position doesn't win war and doesn't further protect our national security. All it does is jeopardize the lives of our troops.

Without any plan or leadership, we cant succeed. The best strategy is to pull out, regroup, and form a new strategy.

- ahammett



Bingo! Give this man a prize!

How can we "win" when we don't even know what "winning" means?

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Andrew, I obviously missed the order to our troops to hold their positions while their leaders figure out what to do. Who issued that order? When? How did you find out about it, if it exists? Where did you get this little operational tidbit that would, under ordinary circumstances, be CLASSIFIED to protect our troops from attacks by an enemy that, if they knew about such an order, could attack with IMPUNITY without fearing an aggressive response?

Do the troops in Baghdad who have been scouring the Sadr City neighborhoods and other areas in the Baghdad area know about this? I know for a fact that the troops in Ramadi haven't received that order yet, because their assignment to work 16-hour days looking for arms caches and insurgents hasn't changed since ... well, since they got there back in September. And those reinforcements y'all have been griping about? The 1st Battalion, 6th Marines in Ramadi are reinforcing THEMSELVES through a two-month extension of their initial seven-month tour of duty. Is that a HOOT, or what?

Just three days ago, one of our U.S. troops - an Army soldier working alongside some of those Marines from 1/6 - was killed by sniper fire. Fortunately, the troops with him (who were, according to you, just "holding their positions" under orders) were also holding their rifles, and they eliminated that sniper from the gene pool rather efficiently. God bless those American troops. They can "hold their positions" and discuss all the leftist drivel back home that's undermining their mission and STILL have enough presence of mind to do the job the U.S. Senate and U.S. House of Representatives, in an overwhelming vote almost four years ago, sent them to do.

If you mean by that that our troops haven't been ORDERED to retreat (cut and run, bug out, etc.), then, yes, they're holding their positions. If you mean they're just playing a waiting game, though, you obviously have been getting your information from the wrong sources OR you have way too much fiber in your diet.

Or, perhaps, both. Come on, Andrew. You just made that up, didn't you? You can say it. It's alright. We already know you make up stuff sometimes. We all do, but when I make up stuff about purebred mules and Uncle Harley, I'm joking. AND I DON'T PUT ANYBODY'S LIFE AT RISK.

I do know, Andrew, that the 1st Battalion, 6th Marines have lost more than a dozen of their own in the past four months. I know that for a fact, and you know how I know that for a fact already. And you know what? NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THOSE BRAVE MARINES DIED FROM A BULLET TO THE BACK WHILE HE WAS TRYING TO RETREAT. I know that for a fact, too. Brave, brave men with a job to do, and men for whom leaving a fellow soldier or Marine high and dry in the middle if a WAR is unthinkable.

Guess there aren't as many Democrats in uniform as some of y'all think there are, huh?

Congratulations on winning the prize from Wayward, by the way. I wouldn't put it in the display case yet, though. It may just be plastic sprayed with gold paint to LOOK like it's worth something. And handle it with care, because it may have recently been full of crap.
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How can you not classify setting up checkpoints and patrolling as holding one's position? The whole point of those types of tactics is to sit pretty on what you've got.

If we had any sense, we'd turn it over to Iraqi's sooner rather than later.

An Iraqi policeman can tell the difference between an honest Iraqi and a terrorist. US troops can only figure it out the painful way.

We need more Iraqi policeman and less US troops.
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Guess there aren't as many Democrats in uniform as some of y'all think there are, huh?

- JDTippett



Now what exactly is that supposed to mean, or are you just making stuff up?

I expect our military to do their job no matter what their party affilitation or their political position about whether or not we should be there.

BTW, of the Iraq War veterans who ran for congress in 2006, all but one ran as a Democrat.


Congratulations on winning the prize from Wayward, by the way. I wouldn't put it in the display case yet, though. It may just be plastic sprayed with gold paint to LOOK like it's worth something. And handle it with care, because it may have recently been full of crap.

- JDTippett



How am I full of crap, JD?

I said that we can't win if we don't know what winning is. As Yogi Berra (supposedly) once said, "If you don't know where you're going, you'll probably wind up someplace else."

If you have a good definition of what "victory" in Iraq means, I'd like to hear it.
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