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If Inglis sold out and all you people on here are right, then Bush's popularity would be 99% and the Republicans would be in control of both the House and Senate. There seems to be something wrong with this South Carolina Conservative logic.
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If Inglis sold out and all you people on here are right, then Bush's popularity would be 99% and the Republicans would be in control of both the House and Senate. There seems to be something wrong with this South Carolina Conservative logic.- BLee
Not our logic in SC, BLee. Just the rest of the country is out of step.
Like when I first went into the AF and we had our first parade. I couldn't understand why a mean OLD (35?) Sgt was yelling at me
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If Inglis sold out and all you people on here are right, then Bush's popularity would be 99% and the Republicans would be in control of both the House and Senate. There seems to be something wrong with this South Carolina Conservative logic.- BLee
Not our logic in SC, BLee. Just the rest of the country is out of step.
Like when I first went into the AF and we had our first parade. I couldn't understand why a mean OLD (35?) Sgt was yelling at me
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I want to know where all of these polled people are, Have you ever been offically polled? In all of the elections I keep hearing about the polls, but I have never been polled and neither has anyone I know been polled. so lets not talk polls lets talk reality. and in reality the "vote from congress" does nothing but give aid to our enemies and destroys moral with our boys and girls on the front lines
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If Inglis sold out and all you people on here are right, then Bush's popularity would be 99% and the Republicans would be in control of both the House and Senate. There seems to be something wrong with this South Carolina Conservative logic.- BLee
Not our logic in SC, BLee. Just the rest of the country is out of step.
Like when I first went into the AF and we had our first parade. I couldn't understand why a mean OLD (35?) Sgt was yelling at me
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Could you please tell us just what you mean when you say "thin lipped Cracker?"- ed evans
Ed,
It's the opposite of 'full lipped cookies', of which I'll take one Angelina Jolie please.
"...and so it goes." KV
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Senator Sam Brownback, the darling of the conservatives, has also voiced his opposition to the troops increase in Iraq. He said that the solution has to be a political one, not a military escalation.
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If Inglis sold out and all you people on here are right, then Bush's popularity would be 99% and the Republicans would be in control of both the House and Senate. There seems to be something wrong with this South Carolina Conservative logic.- BLee
Not our logic in SC, BLee. Just the rest of the country is out of step.
Like when I first went into the AF and we had our first parade. I couldn't understand why a mean OLD (35?) Sgt was yelling at me
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If Inglis sold out and all you people on here are right, then Bush's popularity would be 99% and the Republicans would be in control of both the House and Senate. There seems to be something wrong with this South Carolina Conservative logic.- BLee
Not our logic in SC, BLee. Just the rest of the country is out of step.
Like when I first went into the AF and we had our first parade. I couldn't understand why a mean OLD (35?) Sgt was yelling at me
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Blee I'm not from the south so please tell me what you mean by thin lipped cracker. A cracher is something yoy eat with pepperoni and cheese or soup. I know when Pappy refers to a full lipped cookie, since cookie is slang used to refer to women for ages.
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Blee I'm not from the south so please tell me what you mean by thin lipped cracker. A cracher is something yoy eat with pepperoni and cheese or soup. I know when Pappy refers to a full lipped cookie, since cookie is slang used to refer to women for ages.- noeline
Noeline--
No offense intended. Sometimes the slang of youth betrays me.
"...and so it goes." KV
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Alright, y'all, listen up. I was going to stay out of this one - and still will after this post - but here's what BLee was tryin' to say in his own far-left tinged way.
Back in the pre-Civil War South (and, actually, up until the end of that conflict) plantation owners were depicted (thanks to propoganda pieces like "Uncle Tom's Cabin") as being cruel men who carried bullwhips around with them to keep the slaves in line. (In fairness, I'm sure it happened, but it wasn't the norm.)
As everyone from the South knows (and most people from the West, and all rodeo fans know) any time you use a bullwhip, the sound it makes when the tip of the rascal breaks the sound barrier is a sharp "CRACK."
Hence, Southerners became derisively known as "crackers." It has nothing to do with cookies or saltine crackers, or anything like that. Some 150 years ago, it carried some weight of fact. Nowadays, it's just a moronic insult at Southern heritage.
Now, the "thin-lipped" part is a veiled reference to Adolf Hitler, who compensated for his lack of discernible lips with that goofy little moustache he grew.
What BLee is implying is that anybody who is to the RIGHT of, say, Joe Lieberman, is a whip-carrying slave-owing Nazi who isn't worthy of any respect at all.
My advice: Ignore the insults. Move on. I know a "flamer" when I see one.
As for whether Bob Inglis sold out or not, I'll reserve judgment on that. I saw an editorial cartoon last week, though, that I thought was interesting.
It depicted an American soldier, in full combat gear, rifle at the ready, seated in a position overlooking an enemy position. Sticking out of that soldier's back, right between shoulderblades, was a bloody knife with the word "CONGRESS" on it.
I don't know if Bob Inglis' fingerprints are on that knife, but it probably does deserve a closer look. If that resolution is Congress' idea of "supporting our troops" though, I certainly hope they don't have many more knives. Our soldiers and Marines are having enough trouble dodging ENEMY fire without having to dodge bullets and knives from Washington, D.C., and the people who voted to send them into battle.
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Pappy no offense taken. As I understand it, "cookie" when referring to a woman is quite a compliment. I am not a raging feminist who cannot appreciate slang when it is used in a good way.
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JD thanks for the hisory lesson. I have heard the word cracker used as insult before but never knew what it ment. Now I do. By the way I loved the cartoon you described. thanks for that too.
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I don't know if Bob Inglis' fingerprints are on that knife, but it probably does deserve a closer look. If that resolution is Congress' idea of "supporting our troops" though, I certainly hope they don't have many more knives. Our soldiers and Marines are having enough trouble dodging ENEMY fire without having to dodge bullets and knives from Washington, D.C., and the people who voted to send them into battle.
Ok, JD, what should Congress do when they realize they have sent our soldiers and Marines into the wrong battle?
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Did this country learn nothing from Viet Nam. Do Not forget that Siagon did not fall until after a truce had been signed and we were in the process of already drawing down our troops over there. Then and only then did NV attack and kill millions of people.
Vietnam was a bit before my time, but I don't remember North Vietnam ever attacking the United States.
Although Saigon may have fallen, the US still won the Cold War. Although the US pulled out of Vietnam, doing so did not endanger the US.
In fact, after the war ended, the communists fought each other. Vietnam fought a war against China and Cambodia, all communist countries.
Given that history has shown that the communist victory did not endanger the US, was it the job of our country to defend South Vietnam? Was it the job of our servicemen to die for South Vietnam?
Is it the job of our military to defend America, or is this mission to defend the world?
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Did this country learn nothing from Viet Nam. Do Not forget that Siagon did not fall until after a truce had been signed and we were in the process of already drawing down our troops over there. Then and only then did NV attack and kill millions of people.
Vietnam was a bit before my time, but I don't remember North Vietnam ever attacking the United States.
Although Saigon may have fallen, the US still won the Cold War. Although the US pulled out of Vietnam, doing so did not endanger the US.
In fact, after the war ended, the communists fought each other. Vietnam fought a war against China and Cambodia, all communist countries.
Given that history has shown that the communist victory did not endanger the US, was it the job of our country to defend South Vietnam? Was it the job of our servicemen to die for South Vietnam?
Is it the job of our military to defend America, or is this mission to defend the world?
- wayward
During the Viet Nam War, Russian pilots actually had dog fights with U.S. Pilots. Russians took an active part in the Viet Nam War by supplying and training the North Vietnamese. Before Viet Nam, we had the Cuban Missile Crisis where the Russians were putting nuclear missiles in Cuba only 90 miles from Florida trained on U.S. cities. There is no evidence that Iraq has actively participated in any direct threat against the U.S. The war mongers nowadays are using the same old "If we don't find them over there, we'll be fighting them over here" propoganda. We heard that during the Viet Nam War days when the threat to our National Security was much more grave than what we are facing now. For those of us who lived through Viet Nam and the 1960's era, this terrorist threat is nothing new. Cigarettes, obesity, alcohol, and guns kill more Americans every year than the terrorists could ever imagine killing.
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Did this country learn nothing from Viet Nam. Do Not forget that Siagon did not fall until after a truce had been signed and we were in the process of already drawing down our troops over there. Then and only then did NV attack and kill millions of people.
Vietnam was a bit before my time, but I don't remember North Vietnam ever attacking the United States.
Although Saigon may have fallen, the US still won the Cold War. Although the US pulled out of Vietnam, doing so did not endanger the US.
In fact, after the war ended, the communists fought each other. Vietnam fought a war against China and Cambodia, all communist countries.
Given that history has shown that the communist victory did not endanger the US, was it the job of our country to defend South Vietnam? Was it the job of our servicemen to die for South Vietnam?
Is it the job of our military to defend America, or is this mission to defend the world?
- wayward
During the Viet Nam War, Russian pilots actually had dog fights with U.S. Pilots. Russians took an active part in the Viet Nam War by supplying and training the North Vietnamese. Before Viet Nam, we had the Cuban Missile Crisis where the Russians were putting nuclear missiles in Cuba only 90 miles from Florida trained on U.S. cities. There is no evidence that Iraq has actively participated in any direct threat against the U.S. The war mongers nowadays are using the same old "If we don't find them over there, we'll be fighting them over here" propoganda. We heard that during the Viet Nam War days when the threat to our National Security was much more grave than what we are facing now. For those of us who lived through Viet Nam and the 1960's era, this terrorist threat is nothing new. Cigarettes, obesity, alcohol, and guns kill more Americans every year than the terrorists could ever imagine killing.- BLee
To many people on both sides, Iraq is Vietnam. Why do you think the Vietnam War was the largest issue in the 2004 Presidential campaign?
Those on the right describe the conflict in the same terms. They push a modified version of the domino theory as to why we must win in Iraq. They are very concerned about grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory.
To a certain degree, it seems as if Iraq has become a second chance to not do what we did in Vietnam. We can't give up and we can't admit the left was correct, no matter what the cost. We must "win", whatever that means.
Those on the left see Iraq as a quagmire and an unwinnable war, much like they saw Vietnam. While this may be at least somewhat true, the conflict in Iraq is very different. Al Qaeda and Iran, nasty as they are, are not the Soviet Union and China. We do have a volunteer military, not draftees. Perhaps most importantly, the body counts are much lower.
Yes, it was a mistake to go into Iraq. But that happened in 2003. Mistake or not, it makes no difference in 2007. The biggest problem I see is that there is no definition of what "victory" is and therefore, there can be no plan to achieve it. We are suffering from largely self-inflicted wounds due to poor planning and poor strategy.
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We missed you Wayward!
The reason that we can't win in Iraq is that we aren't playing to win. We don't have any capable leadership in charge and nobody trusts the leaders we do have.
The most effective military is focused on doing exactly what leadership says to do. Right now, our leadership doesn't even know what to do.
Our troops have recieved an order to hold their positions while the "leaders" figure out what to do. Holding position doesn't win war and doesn't further protect our national security. All it does is jeopardize the lives of our troops.
Without any plan or leadership, we cant succeed. The best strategy is to pull out, regroup, and form a new strategy.
The reason that we can't win in Iraq is that we aren't playing to win. We don't have any capable leadership in charge and nobody trusts the leaders we do have.
The most effective military is focused on doing exactly what leadership says to do. Right now, our leadership doesn't even know what to do.
Our troops have recieved an order to hold their positions while the "leaders" figure out what to do. Holding position doesn't win war and doesn't further protect our national security. All it does is jeopardize the lives of our troops.
Without any plan or leadership, we cant succeed. The best strategy is to pull out, regroup, and form a new strategy.
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