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Inglis Sells Out
Congressman Bob Inglis disappointed the citizens of his district by voting for the first step of the Congressional Democrat "slow bleed" plan to slowly cut off the troops and pull out of Iraq. He voted for the pointless non-binding resolution that Nancy Pelosi has championed that is against the troop increase espoused by the Honorable Senators Graham and McCain. I wonder if Congressman Inglis' voters will remember this in couple of years at election time.
Lee,
If the resolution is pointless, why does it matter who votes for it?
If the resolution is pointless, why does it matter who votes for it?
Lee,
If the resolution is pointless, why does it matter who votes for it?- ahammett
Here's why it is important to me that this even came up.
If I was still on active duty and over there, I'd be confused by people saying "I support you but your leader is failing in his leading of you." That would do a hell of a lot of good for the guys we're fighting and a hell of a lot of bad for the American and Allies we have that are fighting the terrorist over there.
And I make no mistake in thinking that even if we leave tomorrow, this fight is going to go on for a long time. The quicker we can unite and take off the gloves and let the Military do what they do best, the sooner it'll end.
Lee,
If the resolution is pointless, why does it matter who votes for it?- ahammett
Here's why it is important to me that this even came up.
If I was still on active duty and over there, I'd be confused by people saying "I support you but your leader is failing in his leading of you." That would do a hell of a lot of good for the guys we're fighting and a hell of a lot of bad for the American and Allies we have that are fighting the terrorist over there.
And I make no mistake in thinking that even if we leave tomorrow, this fight is going to go on for a long time. The quicker we can unite and take off the gloves and let the Military do what they do best, the sooner it'll end.- ed evans
Thank God I'm not the only one that thinks this way. The only thing holding us back from winning this thing decisvely is that there are so many who will do anything to make G.W.'s administration look bad. All of this because they hate the president. Just get off of that and get on board let the military do what they do best kick some serious butt!
Thank God I'm not the only one that thinks this way. The only thing holding us back from winning this thing decisvely is that there are so many who will do anything to make G.W.'s administration look bad. All of this because they hate the president. Just get off of that and get on board let the military do what they do best kick some serious butt!- noeline
And because you can come on the web and freely say it, Thank a Veteran.
Thank God I'm not the only one that thinks this way. The only thing holding us back from winning this thing decisvely is that there are so many who will do anything to make G.W.'s administration look bad. All of this because they hate the president. Just get off of that and get on board let the military do what they do best kick some serious butt!- noeline
And because you can come on the web and freely say it, Thank a Veteran.- ed evans
Amen, Ed. Let's make sure we don't do to our current vets what we did to the vietnam era guys (MY era).
Julia Barnes - aka the queen. (Like most of you did not know...)
I agree about the dire consequences on morale for our military. (But, I still don't think we can "win.")
I'm also confused by the rhetoric of the right. If there are dire consequences, it isn't a pointless resolution, it's a catastrophe.
The floor debate on this resolution was full of this contradiction. Either it's important or it isn't.
I'm also confused by the rhetoric of the right. If there are dire consequences, it isn't a pointless resolution, it's a catastrophe.
The floor debate on this resolution was full of this contradiction. Either it's important or it isn't.
I agree about the dire consequences on morale for our military. (But, I still don't think we can "win.")
I'm also confused by the rhetoric of the right. If there are dire consequences, it isn't a pointless resolution, it's a catastrophe.
The floor debate on this resolution was full of this contradiction. Either it's important or it isn't.- ahammett
If you don't believe we can win you haven't been seeing some of the comments coming back from troops over there. Most of the country is relatively peaceful. Some soldiers feel as much as 80 percent. I'll forward you an E Mail that I got and maybe you can see a bit from the other side and think about it some more.
Lee,
If the resolution is pointless, why does it matter who votes for it?- ahammett
Here's why it is important to me that this even came up.
If I was still on active duty and over there, I'd be confused by people saying "I support you but your leader is failing in his leading of you." That would do a hell of a lot of good for the guys we're fighting and a hell of a lot of bad for the American and Allies we have that are fighting the terrorist over there.
And I make no mistake in thinking that even if we leave tomorrow, this fight is going to go on for a long time. The quicker we can unite and take off the gloves and let the Military do what they do best, the sooner it'll end.- ed evans
Ed,
What Allies ? In another 6 months we will be all alone.
Also, anyone with military service knows that any Sergeant is smarter in combat than any officer, including the CIC.
Grunts fight to protect thier buddies, not for a cause or a mission.
And when they don't come home in a box, but return maimed physically or mentally what do we do for them ? Read today's paper. . .
"...and so it goes." KV
Lee,
If the resolution is pointless, why does it matter who votes for it?- ahammett
Here's why it is important to me that this even came up.
If I was still on active duty and over there, I'd be confused by people saying "I support you but your leader is failing in his leading of you." That would do a hell of a lot of good for the guys we're fighting and a hell of a lot of bad for the American and Allies we have that are fighting the terrorist over there.
And I make no mistake in thinking that even if we leave tomorrow, this fight is going to go on for a long time. The quicker we can unite and take off the gloves and let the Military do what they do best, the sooner it'll end.- ed evans
Thank God I'm not the only one that thinks this way. The only thing holding us back from winning this thing decisvely is that there are so many who will do anything to make G.W.'s administration look bad. All of this because they hate the president. Just get off of that and get on board let the military do what they do best kick some serious butt!- noeline
noeline--
The grunts over there are not interested in kicking butt, they are interested in first protecting their buddies' butts and then their own.
"...and so it goes." KV
Ed,
What Allies ? In another 6 months we will be all alone.
Also, anyone with military service knows that any Sergeant is smarter in combat than any officer, including the CIC.
Grunts fight to protect thier buddies, not for a cause or a mission.
And when they don't come home in a box, but return maimed physically or mentally what do we do for them ? Read today's paper. . .
"...and so it goes." KV- PAPPY
In 6 months you say we'll have no allies. Well, that's six months. The Brits are drawing down because conditions in their sector allows it. If we stand together and be the baddest guys in the valley of the shadow of death maybe we can too.
And the troops doing the fighting. Yes they fight for one another. And they do it well. And too often they pay a tremendous price for the stupidity of everyone above them. To include the stupid things done by Presidents, Sec of Defs, Generals, and now what I think is some more stupidity from the US Congress.
Why can't we lock arms and tell the world that as long as one of our boys or girls are there, we'll stand firm and together, and back them and their leader and fight to the last drop of the terrorist blood. If we do that, no one can beat us. Recall Viet Nam, our Military never lost one major engagement, and then the US lost the war because of a country divided.
I think that in this instance in Iraq, the Congress and Cindy Sheehans and Hanoi whats her name will do their damndest to ensure that the US snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.
And all because they hate Bush. Look how Hillary and other Dem Presidential wannabes are flip flopping right now to get this or that vote.
Ed,
What Allies ? In another 6 months we will be all alone.
Also, anyone with military service knows that any Sergeant is smarter in combat than any officer, including the CIC.
Grunts fight to protect thier buddies, not for a cause or a mission.
And when they don't come home in a box, but return maimed physically or mentally what do we do for them ? Read today's paper. . .
"...and so it goes." KV- PAPPY
In 6 months you say we'll have no allies. Well, that's six months. The Brits are drawing down because conditions in their sector allows it. If we stand together and be the baddest guys in the valley of the shadow of death maybe we can too.
And the troops doing the fighting. Yes they fight for one another. And they do it well. And too often they pay a tremendous price for the stupidity of everyone above them. To include the stupid things done by Presidents, Sec of Defs, Generals, and now what I think is some more stupidity from the US Congress.
Why can't we lock arms and tell the world that as long as one of our boys or girls are there, we'll stand firm and together, and back them and their leader and fight to the last drop of the terrorist blood. If we do that, no one can beat us. Recall Viet Nam, our Military never lost one major engagement, and then the US lost the war because of a country divided.
I think that in this instance in Iraq, the Congress and Cindy Sheehans and Hanoi whats her name will do their damndest to ensure that the US snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.
And all because they hate Bush. Look how Hillary and other Dem Presidential wannabes are flip flopping right now to get this or that vote.- ed evans
The Brits are standing down because the British citizens have had enough. Do you seriously believe that the insurgents will stay away when they leave ?
If they did such a good job and are a true ally why not bring them into Bagdad or Anbar Province to help the grandsons of those Americans that saved their ass 65 years ago ?
No one has greater love or support for our youngsters over there than me, but their leaders have screwed them from the start and now put them in the middle of a civil war where they don’t know friend from foe.
We treat them like fodder. Did you read that the Secretary of War said he only learned about the deplorable condition of outpatient facilities at Walter Reed when he read about it ?
How many more ‘good job, Brownies’ are there supposed to be taking care of our troops and our citizens ?
“…and so it goes.” KV
Right On, Pappy! I promised myself that I would not become involved in this discussion again, but here I am.
The President is trying to balance the budget by cutting Veterans benefits when they need them most. I am speaking of the funds that the VA is being given to operate. Of course some "bean counting pencil pusher" saw this placing of soldiers in sub standard housing awaiting official orders to return to duty, or not, as saving money for soldiers still in rehab and in dire need of treatment and prostheses. Where were the persons protecting these soldiers rights as human beings? Why are continuing treatments being cut for those soldiers who are permanantly disabled and surviving spouses and children. I believe the President's budget cuts to all continuing health care are at 30% to "help" balance the terrible expense of this war. Is this how we "support our troops"?
The President is trying to balance the budget by cutting Veterans benefits when they need them most. I am speaking of the funds that the VA is being given to operate. Of course some "bean counting pencil pusher" saw this placing of soldiers in sub standard housing awaiting official orders to return to duty, or not, as saving money for soldiers still in rehab and in dire need of treatment and prostheses. Where were the persons protecting these soldiers rights as human beings? Why are continuing treatments being cut for those soldiers who are permanantly disabled and surviving spouses and children. I believe the President's budget cuts to all continuing health care are at 30% to "help" balance the terrible expense of this war. Is this how we "support our troops"?
Ed,
What Allies ? In another 6 months we will be all alone.
Also, anyone with military service knows that any Sergeant is smarter in combat than any officer, including the CIC.
Grunts fight to protect thier buddies, not for a cause or a mission.
And when they don't come home in a box, but return maimed physically or mentally what do we do for them ? Read today's paper. . .
"...and so it goes." KV- PAPPY
In 6 months you say we'll have no allies. Well, that's six months. The Brits are drawing down because conditions in their sector allows it. If we stand together and be the baddest guys in the valley of the shadow of death maybe we can too.
And the troops doing the fighting. Yes they fight for one another. And they do it well. And too often they pay a tremendous price for the stupidity of everyone above them. To include the stupid things done by Presidents, Sec of Defs, Generals, and now what I think is some more stupidity from the US Congress.
Why can't we lock arms and tell the world that as long as one of our boys or girls are there, we'll stand firm and together, and back them and their leader and fight to the last drop of the terrorist blood. If we do that, no one can beat us. Recall Viet Nam, our Military never lost one major engagement, and then the US lost the war because of a country divided.
I think that in this instance in Iraq, the Congress and Cindy Sheehans and Hanoi whats her name will do their damndest to ensure that the US snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.
And all because they hate Bush. Look how Hillary and other Dem Presidential wannabes are flip flopping right now to get this or that vote.- ed evans
The Brits are standing down because the British citizens have had enough. Do you seriously believe that the insurgents will stay away when they leave ?
If they did such a good job and are a true ally why not bring them into Bagdad or Anbar Province to help the grandsons of those Americans that saved their ass 65 years ago ?
No one has greater love or support for our youngsters over there than me, but their leaders have screwed them from the start and now put them in the middle of a civil war where they don’t know friend from foe.
We treat them like fodder. Did you read that the Secretary of War said he only learned about the deplorable condition of outpatient facilities at Walter Reed when he read about it ?
How many more ‘good job, Brownies’ are there supposed to be taking care of our troops and our citizens ?
“…and so it goes.” KV
- PAPPY
Pappy: I saw Tony Blair on the tube last evening and he is bringing them out because he feels the area is pacified to the extent they can be reduced. And seems to me some BRits went into another area to aid US troops few months back.
Secretary of War went out a while back. But the condition of that building was such to get some much needed attention. And somebody will get their knuckles rapped, you can bet.
As for our troops getting screwed: Pappy I served for 27 years active duty, worked with the AF as an accountant for another 10.5. Saw and served some great leaders. We all suffered under many sorry assed politicians and whiz kids. One thing that was always driven home was that this war stuff just never goes according to plan. And when time comes to go to war something is always in short supply. What has never been in short supply was the courage and the dedication of the US Military personnel. Without fail, the priority in the minds of our military was the misssion and people. Our services do not ask people to commit suicide. There've been some political leaders in the past that pretty much did that, but that's another tirade I won't go into this time.
As for the cuts to VA benefits: I do not know so much about that, but what I can speak from is my own experience with the VA: A bit slow getting into some clinics, but excellent treatment
Ed,
What Allies ? In another 6 months we will be all alone.
Also, anyone with military service knows that any Sergeant is smarter in combat than any officer, including the CIC.
Grunts fight to protect thier buddies, not for a cause or a mission.
And when they don't come home in a box, but return maimed physically or mentally what do we do for them ? Read today's paper. . .
"...and so it goes." KV- PAPPY
In 6 months you say we'll have no allies. Well, that's six months. The Brits are drawing down because conditions in their sector allows it. If we stand together and be the baddest guys in the valley of the shadow of death maybe we can too.
And the troops doing the fighting. Yes they fight for one another. And they do it well. And too often they pay a tremendous price for the stupidity of everyone above them. To include the stupid things done by Presidents, Sec of Defs, Generals, and now what I think is some more stupidity from the US Congress.
Why can't we lock arms and tell the world that as long as one of our boys or girls are there, we'll stand firm and together, and back them and their leader and fight to the last drop of the terrorist blood. If we do that, no one can beat us. Recall Viet Nam, our Military never lost one major engagement, and then the US lost the war because of a country divided.
I think that in this instance in Iraq, the Congress and Cindy Sheehans and Hanoi whats her name will do their damndest to ensure that the US snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.
And all because they hate Bush. Look how Hillary and other Dem Presidential wannabes are flip flopping right now to get this or that vote.- ed evans
The Brits are standing down because the British citizens have had enough. Do you seriously believe that the insurgents will stay away when they leave ?
If they did such a good job and are a true ally why not bring them into Bagdad or Anbar Province to help the grandsons of those Americans that saved their ass 65 years ago ?
No one has greater love or support for our youngsters over there than me, but their leaders have screwed them from the start and now put them in the middle of a civil war where they don’t know friend from foe.
We treat them like fodder. Did you read that the Secretary of War said he only learned about the deplorable condition of outpatient facilities at Walter Reed when he read about it ?
How many more ‘good job, Brownies’ are there supposed to be taking care of our troops and our citizens ?
“…and so it goes.” KV
- PAPPY
Pappy: I saw Tony Blair on the tube last evening and he is bringing them out because he feels the area is pacified to the extent they can be reduced. And seems to me some BRits went into another area to aid US troops few months back.
Secretary of War went out a while back. But the condition of that building was such to get some much needed attention. And somebody will get their knuckles rapped, you can bet.
As for our troops getting screwed: Pappy I served for 27 years active duty, worked with the AF as an accountant for another 10.5. Saw and served some great leaders. We all suffered under many sorry assed politicians and whiz kids. One thing that was always driven home was that this war stuff just never goes according to plan. And when time comes to go to war something is always in short supply. What has never been in short supply was the courage and the dedication of the US Military personnel. Without fail, the priority in the minds of our military was the misssion and people. Our services do not ask people to commit suicide. There've been some political leaders in the past that pretty much did that, but that's another tirade I won't go into this time.
As for the cuts to VA benefits: I do not know so much about that, but what I can speak from is my own experience with the VA: A bit slow getting into some clinics, but excellent treatment
I can't agree that Inglis "sold out". The problem, as I see it, is that the real issue will not be addressed due to politics. THE issue is to determine what course of action is the "best" of a group of distasteful alternatives. To figure that out would require examining all alternatives and their consquences. We should choose the one that futhers the interest of justice without leaving our troops in a bind.
Unfortunately, all sides have incentive to play politics. Bush and the administration certainly don't want to favor withdrawal of any kind since that would make thier decision to go to war seem fruitless. Those on the other side have equal incentive to make Bush look bad for the upcoming presidential election and to take the most favorable political position for that election. Caught in the middle are our troops safety, our standing in the world as a nation and our pocketbooks. It is a sad state of affairs and there are no good guys to be found!
Unfortunately, all sides have incentive to play politics. Bush and the administration certainly don't want to favor withdrawal of any kind since that would make thier decision to go to war seem fruitless. Those on the other side have equal incentive to make Bush look bad for the upcoming presidential election and to take the most favorable political position for that election. Caught in the middle are our troops safety, our standing in the world as a nation and our pocketbooks. It is a sad state of affairs and there are no good guys to be found!
Lee,
If the resolution is pointless, why does it matter who votes for it?- ahammett
Here's why it is important to me that this even came up.
If I was still on active duty and over there, I'd be confused by people saying "I support you but your leader is failing in his leading of you." That would do a hell of a lot of good for the guys we're fighting and a hell of a lot of bad for the American and Allies we have that are fighting the terrorist over there.
And I make no mistake in thinking that even if we leave tomorrow, this fight is going to go on for a long time. The quicker we can unite and take off the gloves and let the Military do what they do best, the sooner it'll end.- ed evans
Riiiiight, because our mindless 'support' has worked so well so far.
Please.
To me supporting our troops means bringing them home ALIVE.
Unfortunately, we broke it, so we bought it. Twice as unfortunately, there is no MILITARY fix. Heck, I'm not sure there is a fix PERIOD.
So, why keep our people over there when EVERYTHING we have done so far has only 'emboldened the enemy'.
